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Originally posted by dredgar
The whole time i have been saying make a QB tactic or Arc to throw change. I never said nerf zone specifically. I agree that we have a decent balance to playcalling. And go look at my games against Zone defense, I throw 3 Int damn near every time.

Like this is you, right? I'm not having a stroke right now?

Originally posted by Corndog
I mean sure, it would be easy to make WRs get separation, that's not the issue.

The issue then becomes, what prevents teams from having 80%+ completion rate? And does WRs dropping wide open passes to make up the difference feel good?

Dive attempts to breakup a pass is a catch-up mechanic you could explore. It should also require a heavy investment in we skills on either side of the ball. Widen the range on stun effects associated with route elusiveness and cuts in general. Make short area quickness valuable. Less "disrupted by defense" more "DB batted away" hell just make DBs make play the ball more aggressively. Most yac isn't the result of wide open separation but a missed tackle or a missed int/deflect attempt.

Originally posted by Corndog
Did I miss something?

You were also in the thread crying about passing arc.

lmao no you and I are not having a stroke.

I agreed that passing arc would fix the issue that LB were able to get INT to easy. The changes to me seem a little to strong is what i have said. Myrik has said many times how you guys make changes and dial it back to an extent. Which is what i think needs to happen. Changing arc was great by you guys, I just think that it was changed to an extent that it may make passing too bad. I think slowly dialing it back by 1% until it seems more balanced would be ideal. Finding a good balance on changes is always whats best. But these guys are screaming that their zone defense was just ruined to shit when it does not look that way at all.

I guess I'm still confused.

The arc change is pretty much just a straight buff, the outrage seems strange to me.

Holy fuck the lobbying

Myrik comes out of his hole every offseason to defend the pride of the zone and I'm always here for it

Originally posted by TyDavis315
https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/814628/1891668

80+ looks solid.

That was a sweet pass.

I’m gone for 2 hours and this thread gets 4 pages.

Originally posted by TyDavis315
Some people don’t even use multiple capable man defenders on the field at a time (DB wise) in order the play heftier against the run. A lot of the issue is less on man as opposed to how bad passing was.

And honestly, still is.

There's a lot of intricacies that go into a passing game that are never really going to realistically make their way into a simulation. There's a lot of extremely complex predictions that go into reading and reacting passes. Games like Madden side step that work by making you the QB. And even then, it cuts a lot of corners that you typically won't see unless you're looking for it.

“fix ur builds” territory.

I’m sitting at 50 pass awareness myself, I’ve always found that to be the best spot for using QR at silver.

Heart league has had raw QBs since the beginning so while some may be frowny, I know that our league will be even more entertaining. I don’t think we’ll exactly be ready to compete with the teams that have been dwelling in Vet for a bit lately since we’ve had to adjust to stop each other’s freaking QBs (and not these overly built rushing rooms), but I’m also certain that not many teams will be able to keep up with our QBs.

Let’s ride it out for a season first and see how we like it (we do, greatly) instead of the “woe is me” I’m seeing.

I mean that's kinda how Madden works, it's a power fantasy where you're the only human brain on a field of poorly controlled AI players.

Originally posted by dredgar
My QB has 50 pocket awareness, how damn much do you guys really think builds need? i could lower accuracy but that would make the changes make him even worse.

My QB you bitched about build is 80 pass tech, 79 accuracy, 50 power, 50 pocket awareness, and 40 pass awareness. Where exactly can i adjust him to get more of what 'works' now without really making him worse? lower any stat to raise the awareness and then he can't make the throw anyway? so how the hell does one build a QB now?

Zone hasnt had any issues with working well for a long time now, everyone was very clear about agreeing that LB getting 30+ int was way to much. So how exactly do you guys think your zone defense was unfairly changed? You say your builds were designed to get INT, but you cant build a Man defender to get INT. Even when you get 90+ int they still dont get many. But yet you guys want your defenses to be able to run turnover based SA at all positions regardless of what position they are on the field. Like come on, you are being bitchy for nothing.

And you complain about my QB having high completion rate, but go back and watch his games against actual good teams, its pretty normal and average. So now you have actually messed up the game by getting devs to mess with something that worked halfway decent. You fail to do the research yourself. You saw a raw number and cried like a baby girl. Against good defenses even the best QB do decent. You know how we do decent? We gameplanned to try and beat and play with what worked.

Why do you think your zoned got ruined because now it can't make more INT that they should be able to. yes it is a game and you built your defenders to do one thing, but a lb getting 30+ int a season is the same as my QB getting 70 completion percentage, except for one major flaw you in your lazy arguements. Your LB keep getting lots of INT against the best teams, but the problem QB did not do 70+ against the best teams, he did 50s.

Dude, I'm running Zone and Zone is built on getting Ints... you don't think I'd like a nerf without any compensation? We keep going in circles over whether its real life Zone or a damn game. Man=Zone as Xars likes to day, the problem it isn't how both you say... Man is consistent about stopping passes with deflections and interrupting them while Zone lives off KL and Ints. Just look at what their SAs do, FFS. They are not meant to be exact copies of each other. How hard is it to get that through to you guys, either you all are dense, obstinate, or disingenuous. This is how they balanced the two different defenses. If you make it to where the offense can get around one of Zone's SAs, then you unbalanced the game in comparison to how Man works cuz it's SAs function no matter where the dot is on the field. The patch notes that specifically mention a change to LBs getting Ints, so why not in the very minimum allow Zone Shark to work without over the top help. A S*LB built to get Ints got Ints, imagine the dot working as it was supposed to... we've had CBs do the same thing and no one batted an eye.

And all those games you all keep mentioning about being normal are not pure Zone teams or they aren't Vet Zone teams. You guys did all the crying like "baby girls" over 2 games in the snow and got Bort to roll back a change without any gd testing. Plus, all those normal teams you mention aren't pure vet zone teams as far as I can tell either. Stop being a hypocrite.

And just because you have a degree in Coaching doesn't make your opinion any better than mine on a f'n video game we've both played for years. Get over yourself, your sounding like Xars.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
Dude, I'm running Zone and Zone is built on getting Ints... you don't think I'd like a nerf without any compensation?

You were compensated, passes are more likely to be off target and receivers are less likely to react properly to them.

Originally posted by Corndog
You were compensated, passes are more likely to be off target and receivers are less likely to react properly to them.

That wasn't for zone or me, none of it targeted zone specifically like the buff to passing did. If you want to compensate nerfing zone then please adjust the SAs' requirements.

GE grab the popcorn