a fucking win, tbh
/argument
/argument
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Originally posted by Flame
Still trying to justify what you did and failing, Beast only got the ball 5 times I assure you that had you not run your cheap fucking gameplan he would've fucked you up the ass. What else do you have in your magical bag of excuses?
DUNNO LET'S HAVE A LOOK AT THE CHECK LIST:
Win the game against Kobenhaven. [X]
Secure our 2nd seed in Alpha. [X]
Piss off Flame so badly that he spams f5 on this thread for 8 hours after the game in a borderline roid rage like mcallero predicted he would after we win the game. [X]
3 for 3!
i did predict that shit.
Originally posted by Flame
Still trying to justify what you did and failing, Beast only got the ball 5 times I assure you that had you not run your cheap fucking gameplan he would've fucked you up the ass. What else do you have in your magical bag of excuses?
DUNNO LET'S HAVE A LOOK AT THE CHECK LIST:
Win the game against Kobenhaven. [X]
Secure our 2nd seed in Alpha. [X]
Piss off Flame so badly that he spams f5 on this thread for 8 hours after the game in a borderline roid rage like mcallero predicted he would after we win the game. [X]
3 for 3!
i did predict that shit.
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Originally posted by Lambda
Originally posted by Flame
Still trying to justify what you did and failing, Beast only got the ball 5 times I assure you that had you not run your cheap fucking gameplan he would've fucked you up the ass. What else do you have in your magical bag of excuses?
so you're mad at us for exploiting our powerback because it didn't allow you to exploit your powerback? oh, ok
gonna quote this for page 27 because damn.
Originally posted by Flame
Still trying to justify what you did and failing, Beast only got the ball 5 times I assure you that had you not run your cheap fucking gameplan he would've fucked you up the ass. What else do you have in your magical bag of excuses?
so you're mad at us for exploiting our powerback because it didn't allow you to exploit your powerback? oh, ok
gonna quote this for page 27 because damn.
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Originally posted by mcallero
i did predict that shit.
Originally posted by mcallero
LMFAO, and we are going to fucking win. I guarantee it... unless reneg fucks up the plan.
i did predict that shit.
Originally posted by mcallero
LMFAO, and we are going to fucking win. I guarantee it... unless reneg fucks up the plan.
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Originally posted by Lambda
Originally posted by mcallero
i did predict that shit.
Originally posted by mcallero
LMFAO, and we are going to fucking win. I guarantee it... unless reneg fucks up the plan.
I DIDN'T FAIL YEAAA.
Originally posted by mcallero
i did predict that shit.
Originally posted by mcallero
LMFAO, and we are going to fucking win. I guarantee it... unless reneg fucks up the plan.
I DIDN'T FAIL YEAAA.
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Originally posted by Lambda
Originally posted by Flame
Still trying to justify what you did and failing, Beast only got the ball 5 times I assure you that had you not run your cheap fucking gameplan he would've fucked you up the ass. What else do you have in your magical bag of excuses?
so you're mad at us for exploiting our powerback because it didn't allow you to exploit your powerback? oh, ok
+1 for Lambda
Originally posted by Flame
Still trying to justify what you did and failing, Beast only got the ball 5 times I assure you that had you not run your cheap fucking gameplan he would've fucked you up the ass. What else do you have in your magical bag of excuses?
so you're mad at us for exploiting our powerback because it didn't allow you to exploit your powerback? oh, ok
+1 for Lambda
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Originally posted by OchO_CinCo
Originally posted by Lambda
Originally posted by Flame
Still trying to justify what you did and failing, Beast only got the ball 5 times I assure you that had you not run your cheap fucking gameplan he would've fucked you up the ass. What else do you have in your magical bag of excuses?
so you're mad at us for exploiting our powerback because it didn't allow you to exploit your powerback? oh, ok
+1 for Lambda
Fuck you bro. What about my check list? :<
Originally posted by Lambda
Originally posted by Flame
Still trying to justify what you did and failing, Beast only got the ball 5 times I assure you that had you not run your cheap fucking gameplan he would've fucked you up the ass. What else do you have in your magical bag of excuses?
so you're mad at us for exploiting our powerback because it didn't allow you to exploit your powerback? oh, ok
+1 for Lambda
Fuck you bro. What about my check list? :<
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Parma was the only team that lost something tangible from this outcome as the Fruits leaped us to take that 2nd seed and potential home playoff game with that win.
So from our perspective, yes, we wished the game was played "straight up" and that we could "fall" into the second seed. But our gripes are limited as Passion beat us early in the season head to head (and we lost to København Hühnerfalken 20-3).
Question: I do ask everyone defending the Passion Fruits that if you were beat by the same strategy, don't you think you'd respond in the same way as the København camp? I know this is just dot football, but you are lying if you don't take it seriously and hope that you get a realistic sim each time you log on to view your games.
From my perspective, København's problem is that Passion used a known exploit of S8. Although technically not cheating, it sure as hell isn't very fun to watch or play against.
So from our perspective, yes, we wished the game was played "straight up" and that we could "fall" into the second seed. But our gripes are limited as Passion beat us early in the season head to head (and we lost to København Hühnerfalken 20-3).
Question: I do ask everyone defending the Passion Fruits that if you were beat by the same strategy, don't you think you'd respond in the same way as the København camp? I know this is just dot football, but you are lying if you don't take it seriously and hope that you get a realistic sim each time you log on to view your games.
From my perspective, København's problem is that Passion used a known exploit of S8. Although technically not cheating, it sure as hell isn't very fun to watch or play against.
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Originally posted by ufgatorbait
Parma was the only team that lost something tangible from this outcome as the Fruits leaped us to take that 2nd seed and potential home playoff game with that win.
So from our perspective, yes, we wished the game was played "straight up" and that we could "fall" into the second seed. But our gripes are limited as Passion beat us early in the season head to head (and we lost to København Hühnerfalken 20-3).
Question: I do ask everyone defending the Passion Fruits that if you were beat by the same strategy, don't you think you'd respond in the same way as the København camp? I know this is just dot football, but you are lying if you don't take it seriously and hope that you get a realistic sim each time you log on to view your games.
From my perspective, København's problem is that Passion used a known exploit of S8. Although technically not cheating, it sure as hell isn't very fun to watch or play against.
I agree with every point you made. It's not as if we gloated or tried to act like we 'proved' something. What we did was shady, but we did it in the best interest to help the future of our football team, legally. You can argue both sides of the spectrum in regards to what is and isn't fair. I can guarantee you we would have never ran this strat against a team of remotely equal level. Coming into the season there were only 5 real teams that had lower levels than us with 8 ahead:
Passion Fruits
Offense: 31.7 Defense: 31.7 Average: 31.7
East Cairo Argonauts
Offense: 30.6 Defense: 31.0 Average: 30.8
Manchester Spartans
Offense: 31.2 Defense: 30.3 Average: 30.75
Edinburgh Union Jacks
Offense: 31.3 Defense: 29.3 Average: 30.3
Stockholm Black Death
Offense: 29.5 Defense: 30.6 Average: 30.05
Ruhr Stahl-Männer
Offense: 29.0 Defense: 31.8 Average: 29.9
Anyone could argue that having a team in an A level league with a defensive starting roster averaging at level 45.2 isn't fair either. Do you not consider that an exploit of a flawed system as well? Kobenhaven used that for 16 games, we used one for a single game.
Parma was the only team that lost something tangible from this outcome as the Fruits leaped us to take that 2nd seed and potential home playoff game with that win.
So from our perspective, yes, we wished the game was played "straight up" and that we could "fall" into the second seed. But our gripes are limited as Passion beat us early in the season head to head (and we lost to København Hühnerfalken 20-3).
Question: I do ask everyone defending the Passion Fruits that if you were beat by the same strategy, don't you think you'd respond in the same way as the København camp? I know this is just dot football, but you are lying if you don't take it seriously and hope that you get a realistic sim each time you log on to view your games.
From my perspective, København's problem is that Passion used a known exploit of S8. Although technically not cheating, it sure as hell isn't very fun to watch or play against.
I agree with every point you made. It's not as if we gloated or tried to act like we 'proved' something. What we did was shady, but we did it in the best interest to help the future of our football team, legally. You can argue both sides of the spectrum in regards to what is and isn't fair. I can guarantee you we would have never ran this strat against a team of remotely equal level. Coming into the season there were only 5 real teams that had lower levels than us with 8 ahead:
Passion Fruits
Offense: 31.7 Defense: 31.7 Average: 31.7
East Cairo Argonauts
Offense: 30.6 Defense: 31.0 Average: 30.8
Manchester Spartans
Offense: 31.2 Defense: 30.3 Average: 30.75
Edinburgh Union Jacks
Offense: 31.3 Defense: 29.3 Average: 30.3
Stockholm Black Death
Offense: 29.5 Defense: 30.6 Average: 30.05
Ruhr Stahl-Männer
Offense: 29.0 Defense: 31.8 Average: 29.9
Anyone could argue that having a team in an A level league with a defensive starting roster averaging at level 45.2 isn't fair either. Do you not consider that an exploit of a flawed system as well? Kobenhaven used that for 16 games, we used one for a single game.
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Originally posted by Flame
Seriously, I fucking quit GLB. This game is absolute bullshit.
+1 from the guy who's team will be watching the playoffs from the sidelines this season.
Good luck to all who made it to the post-season!
Seriously, I fucking quit GLB. This game is absolute bullshit.
+1 from the guy who's team will be watching the playoffs from the sidelines this season.
Good luck to all who made it to the post-season!
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Originally posted by ufgatorbait
Parma was the only team that lost something tangible from this outcome as the Fruits leaped us to take that 2nd seed and potential home playoff game with that win.
So from our perspective, yes, we wished the game was played "straight up" and that we could "fall" into the second seed. But our gripes are limited as Passion beat us early in the season head to head (and we lost to København Hühnerfalken 20-3).
Question: I do ask everyone defending the Passion Fruits that if you were beat by the same strategy, don't you think you'd respond in the same way as the København camp? I know this is just dot football, but you are lying if you don't take it seriously and hope that you get a realistic sim each time you log on to view your games.
From my perspective, København's problem is that Passion used a known exploit of S8. Although technically not cheating, it sure as hell isn't very fun to watch or play against.
on the other hand, it sure is hard to feel much sympathy for a team that brought level 47s into an A league, don't you think? that clearly isn't "intended" either, as bort has done several things to penalize high level players playing in low level leagues.
as you said, you guys are the only ones this actually affected (other than us), so you actually have a right to bitch. we felt we needed the money more than you though. take it out on us in the playoffs.
anyway, i defended the strategy when the waxers used it to end santiago's 86 game win streak in SA pro, and i still will. under no circumstance is an hb ot/slam/dive an exploit. an exploit is discovering that kicking off with a lineman makes the KR team bug out and stand there so you can pick up the ball and run for a td. an exploit is discovering that if your hb has 25 first step he can take the handoff and teleport downfield past the secondary. hb ot/slam/dive is just an overpowered set of plays. they are hard to stop right now, and require a defense to sacrifice in other areas to contain it, but isn't that part of the strategy? those run plays are a staple of EVERY team's playbook, so is everybody "exploiting" at various levels? where do you draw the line? again, it is possible to stop them enough to give you a chance to win. kobenhaven damn near contained it enough just by sheer virtue of outleveling us by 10-14 without adjusting a goddamn thing in their playbook.
we have and will never use actual exploits in games. we have and will, however, do everything we have to short of that to win must-win games. fortunately, kobenhaven is the only team that we feel our normal AI doesn't give us a chance to win, and that is strictly because of their huge level advantage. it sure isn't fun to watch even from the winning side, but i'd be willing to bet the other 14 teams here haven't had a blast watching their well built level 34 linemen get torched by a level 47 DE, and i doubt they've enjoyed watching their HBs fumble 3-4 times a game just because the LBs they're going up against are 12 levels higher.
the real kicker here is that the only way to counter kobenhaven's "tactic" of outleveling everyone by 10-14 is our little tactic of dominating the time of possession. they seem to have taken exception to our tactic because it proved their tactic is not unstoppable.
Parma was the only team that lost something tangible from this outcome as the Fruits leaped us to take that 2nd seed and potential home playoff game with that win.
So from our perspective, yes, we wished the game was played "straight up" and that we could "fall" into the second seed. But our gripes are limited as Passion beat us early in the season head to head (and we lost to København Hühnerfalken 20-3).
Question: I do ask everyone defending the Passion Fruits that if you were beat by the same strategy, don't you think you'd respond in the same way as the København camp? I know this is just dot football, but you are lying if you don't take it seriously and hope that you get a realistic sim each time you log on to view your games.
From my perspective, København's problem is that Passion used a known exploit of S8. Although technically not cheating, it sure as hell isn't very fun to watch or play against.
on the other hand, it sure is hard to feel much sympathy for a team that brought level 47s into an A league, don't you think? that clearly isn't "intended" either, as bort has done several things to penalize high level players playing in low level leagues.
as you said, you guys are the only ones this actually affected (other than us), so you actually have a right to bitch. we felt we needed the money more than you though. take it out on us in the playoffs.
anyway, i defended the strategy when the waxers used it to end santiago's 86 game win streak in SA pro, and i still will. under no circumstance is an hb ot/slam/dive an exploit. an exploit is discovering that kicking off with a lineman makes the KR team bug out and stand there so you can pick up the ball and run for a td. an exploit is discovering that if your hb has 25 first step he can take the handoff and teleport downfield past the secondary. hb ot/slam/dive is just an overpowered set of plays. they are hard to stop right now, and require a defense to sacrifice in other areas to contain it, but isn't that part of the strategy? those run plays are a staple of EVERY team's playbook, so is everybody "exploiting" at various levels? where do you draw the line? again, it is possible to stop them enough to give you a chance to win. kobenhaven damn near contained it enough just by sheer virtue of outleveling us by 10-14 without adjusting a goddamn thing in their playbook.
we have and will never use actual exploits in games. we have and will, however, do everything we have to short of that to win must-win games. fortunately, kobenhaven is the only team that we feel our normal AI doesn't give us a chance to win, and that is strictly because of their huge level advantage. it sure isn't fun to watch even from the winning side, but i'd be willing to bet the other 14 teams here haven't had a blast watching their well built level 34 linemen get torched by a level 47 DE, and i doubt they've enjoyed watching their HBs fumble 3-4 times a game just because the LBs they're going up against are 12 levels higher.
the real kicker here is that the only way to counter kobenhaven's "tactic" of outleveling everyone by 10-14 is our little tactic of dominating the time of possession. they seem to have taken exception to our tactic because it proved their tactic is not unstoppable.
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Originally posted by Flame
You abused a flaw in the sim to win a game...
Manchester likes the Singleback Strongside Slam...just a little FYI for whoever gets to play them next.
You abused a flaw in the sim to win a game...
Manchester likes the Singleback Strongside Slam...just a little FYI for whoever gets to play them next.
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Originally posted by mcallero
Could you imagine how pissed mcgovern would be though, ROFL
I'm still trying to get over Manchester running pretty much the same thing against us but you know what? I saw them do it on plenty of film and should have just put in a couple of packages against the Singleback formation to sell out to stop their run, at least on 1st down anyways.
Probably the only thing Kobenhavn could have done (had they known what PF was going to do) would be to implement some goalline D against that strong I 30% of the time and hope to at least slow it down. We did this early in the season against the Legionnaires when they were (literally)running rampant over everyone.
You know how it goes though, "Ifs and Buts, Candy and Nuts"
Shame that you would have to go so far as implementing a goalline defense to stop the run on GLB, though, and I definitely hope Bort works to fix it in the off-season.
Could you imagine how pissed mcgovern would be though, ROFL
I'm still trying to get over Manchester running pretty much the same thing against us but you know what? I saw them do it on plenty of film and should have just put in a couple of packages against the Singleback formation to sell out to stop their run, at least on 1st down anyways.
Probably the only thing Kobenhavn could have done (had they known what PF was going to do) would be to implement some goalline D against that strong I 30% of the time and hope to at least slow it down. We did this early in the season against the Legionnaires when they were (literally)running rampant over everyone.
You know how it goes though, "Ifs and Buts, Candy and Nuts"
Shame that you would have to go so far as implementing a goalline defense to stop the run on GLB, though, and I definitely hope Bort works to fix it in the off-season.
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Originally posted by Lambda
Originally posted by ufgatorbait
Parma was the only team that lost something tangible from this outcome as the Fruits leaped us to take that 2nd seed and potential home playoff game with that win.
So from our perspective, yes, we wished the game was played "straight up" and that we could "fall" into the second seed. But our gripes are limited as Passion beat us early in the season head to head (and we lost to København Hühnerfalken 20-3).
Question: I do ask everyone defending the Passion Fruits that if you were beat by the same strategy, don't you think you'd respond in the same way as the København camp? I know this is just dot football, but you are lying if you don't take it seriously and hope that you get a realistic sim each time you log on to view your games.
From my perspective, København's problem is that Passion used a known exploit of S8. Although technically not cheating, it sure as hell isn't very fun to watch or play against.
on the other hand, it sure is hard to feel much sympathy for a team that brought level 47s into an A league, don't you think? that clearly isn't "intended" either, as bort has done several things to penalize high level players playing in low level leagues.
as you said, you guys are the only ones this actually affected (other than us), so you actually have a right to bitch. we felt we needed the money more than you though. take it out on us in the playoffs.
anyway, i defended the strategy when the waxers used it to end santiago's 86 game win streak in SA pro, and i still will. under no circumstance is an hb ot/slam/dive an exploit. an exploit is discovering that kicking off with a lineman makes the KR team bug out and stand there so you can pick up the ball and run for a td. an exploit is discovering that if your hb has 25 first step he can take the handoff and teleport downfield past the secondary. hb ot/slam/dive is just an overpowered set of plays. they are hard to stop right now, and require a defense to sacrifice in other areas to contain it, but isn't that part of the strategy? those run plays are a staple of EVERY team's playbook, so is everybody "exploiting" at various levels? where do you draw the line? again, it is possible to stop them enough to give you a chance to win. kobenhaven damn near contained it enough just by sheer virtue of outleveling us by 10-14 without adjusting a goddamn thing in their playbook.
we have and will never use actual exploits in games. we have and will, however, do everything we have to short of that to win must-win games. fortunately, kobenhaven is the only team that we feel our normal AI doesn't give us a chance to win, and that is strictly because of their huge level advantage. it sure isn't fun to watch even from the winning side, but i'd be willing to bet the other 14 teams here haven't had a blast watching their well built level 34 linemen get torched by a level 47 DE, and i doubt they've enjoyed watching their HBs fumble 3-4 times a game just because the LBs they're going up against are 12 levels higher.
the real kicker here is that the only way to counter kobenhaven's "tactic" of outleveling everyone by 10-14 is our little tactic of dominating the time of possession. they seem to have taken exception to our tactic because it proved their tactic is not unstoppable.
fucking wall of text burned my retinas
Originally posted by ufgatorbait
Parma was the only team that lost something tangible from this outcome as the Fruits leaped us to take that 2nd seed and potential home playoff game with that win.
So from our perspective, yes, we wished the game was played "straight up" and that we could "fall" into the second seed. But our gripes are limited as Passion beat us early in the season head to head (and we lost to København Hühnerfalken 20-3).
Question: I do ask everyone defending the Passion Fruits that if you were beat by the same strategy, don't you think you'd respond in the same way as the København camp? I know this is just dot football, but you are lying if you don't take it seriously and hope that you get a realistic sim each time you log on to view your games.
From my perspective, København's problem is that Passion used a known exploit of S8. Although technically not cheating, it sure as hell isn't very fun to watch or play against.
on the other hand, it sure is hard to feel much sympathy for a team that brought level 47s into an A league, don't you think? that clearly isn't "intended" either, as bort has done several things to penalize high level players playing in low level leagues.
as you said, you guys are the only ones this actually affected (other than us), so you actually have a right to bitch. we felt we needed the money more than you though. take it out on us in the playoffs.
anyway, i defended the strategy when the waxers used it to end santiago's 86 game win streak in SA pro, and i still will. under no circumstance is an hb ot/slam/dive an exploit. an exploit is discovering that kicking off with a lineman makes the KR team bug out and stand there so you can pick up the ball and run for a td. an exploit is discovering that if your hb has 25 first step he can take the handoff and teleport downfield past the secondary. hb ot/slam/dive is just an overpowered set of plays. they are hard to stop right now, and require a defense to sacrifice in other areas to contain it, but isn't that part of the strategy? those run plays are a staple of EVERY team's playbook, so is everybody "exploiting" at various levels? where do you draw the line? again, it is possible to stop them enough to give you a chance to win. kobenhaven damn near contained it enough just by sheer virtue of outleveling us by 10-14 without adjusting a goddamn thing in their playbook.
we have and will never use actual exploits in games. we have and will, however, do everything we have to short of that to win must-win games. fortunately, kobenhaven is the only team that we feel our normal AI doesn't give us a chance to win, and that is strictly because of their huge level advantage. it sure isn't fun to watch even from the winning side, but i'd be willing to bet the other 14 teams here haven't had a blast watching their well built level 34 linemen get torched by a level 47 DE, and i doubt they've enjoyed watching their HBs fumble 3-4 times a game just because the LBs they're going up against are 12 levels higher.
the real kicker here is that the only way to counter kobenhaven's "tactic" of outleveling everyone by 10-14 is our little tactic of dominating the time of possession. they seem to have taken exception to our tactic because it proved their tactic is not unstoppable.
fucking wall of text burned my retinas
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