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Originally posted by Kenshinzen
Originally posted by vladykins



As I noted previously, levels is only *one* factor for competition. Builds and gameplanning, as well as active players who actually set their tactics like they are supposed to, and a little luck, all factor in. We had a variety of levels in EEA1 last season and it was still quite competitive, with a number of the games going either way, despite some teams with higher levels.

All shuffling does is makes it more competitive at the A level for one season. What do you do if you get promoted from A? Complain they have higher level players and then ask for another shuffle? Then what about promotion to AAA? Pro? Eventually, you are going to have to play a team that out levels yours.

You then come back to the choice you have now- 1) Recruit higher levels, 2) Keep your team intact, fight hard, and if you don't get it the first season, wait until you are ready to level up and move up again.

Instituting soft/hard capped levels for each league tier doesn't help, because the pyramid structure means you'd have a ton of higher level players with nowhere to play. So that is not a good solution either.

There is a difference being in a league for multiple seasons trying to compete and being a new promoted team from BBB to an uncapped league. And this promotion came from the demotion of CPU teams.


You miss the whole point- we *started* in an uncapped league. There was no BBB league to start with, no cap13. We started in EEA1- a bunch of lvl 10's and 20's vs 40s and 50s. We dealt with it, went 5-11 our first season, then made the playoffs the next, then had BBB folks move up, who competed quite well.

You are going to get promoted to an uncapped league at some point in the game. You're going to have to deal with this one way or another. If you don't want to, there are pee wee leagues, or you can make new guys every season and form new teams in 13 cap. Otherwise, you are eventually going to get promoted to some league that is uncapped and you have the same issue.

And you seem to miss the point of the shuffle. Why not create a more competive enviroment for most of the teams now we can? Why to be left out of the shuffle as a EE region? I know that at some time I must sign higher level players if I want to compete but didn't expect (and I believe many other owners) that promotion in our first season because of demoted CPU teams. Playing against 40+ level players have no fun either for me or for them.

Originally posted by JcWildcat
Originally posted by JcWildcat

Originally posted by JcWildcat


LOL I can't reverse the tally haha, and that's no where close to all of the teams in EEA voting.

41-16 (no duplicates or teams out of this league counted in this tally)

Had to post that again for page rollover. Make it easier for Bort to see if he makes it back to this thread tonight.

42-16 now.

Bort, I would like some sort of confirmation.

43-17 now.


Wondering why I bother quoting for page rollover. If I didn't though it would just get lost in the shuffle (no pun intended)

Originally posted by Kenshinzen
And you seem to miss the point of the shuffle. Why not create a more competive enviroment for most of the teams now we can? Why to be left out of the shuffle as a EE region? I know that at some time I must sign higher level players if I want to compete but didn't expect (and I believe many other owners) that promotion in our first season because of demoted CPU teams. Playing against 40+ level players have no fun either for me or for them.

And if you get promoted to AA after shuffling here and getting promoted, what will you do then? You have the same choice. Eventually you reach the same choice, and knowing you had an uncapped league above your head and noticing the number of CPU teams above (we had a thread about it ourselves in EEA1), you could have expected to be promoted if you did halfways decent in the playoffs. Paying any attention to prior seasons might have given an indication (we had the top four performers from each conference in EEA1 go up to EEAA1 in Season 7, so I suspected that at least would happen again.

The point of GLB is to ultimately get your team to Pro and compete there. If you get a little trophy icon on the way, fine. But you should be hopefully growing as a team on your way up. You will not win every season, nor will you even always have the capability. The problem isn't GLB; it's players' expectations- not everyone gets to be the highest paid starter on the ultimate team that wins each tier each season on the way to Pro- sometimes you have to struggle, learn, build your player, and then win and move up. You have 10 seasons to do so before your player declines.

This is an *if* I'm prepared to face when I go to AA. But until then, I want a competive enviroment for my team.

Originally posted by Kenshinzen
This is an *if* I'm prepared to face when I go to AA. But until then, I want a competive enviroment for my team.

But if you compete well in your "shuffled" A, then you will be in AA. And face the same problem. And ask for a reshuffle of AA. And on and on. All you do is postpone the inevitable.

Originally posted by vladykins
Originally posted by Kenshinzen

This is an *if* I'm prepared to face when I go to AA. But until then, I want a competive enviroment for my team.

But if you compete well in your "shuffled" A, then you will be in AA. And face the same problem. And ask for a reshuffle of AA. And on and on.

Nope, you're wrong here. I didn't ask for a shuffle but if I have the option for a more competive enviroment, why not? I think that is what everyone wants!

edited as I did most of my posts. Sorry for the vent I had last night, as for today, I was merely trying to be informative.

Originally posted by
All you do is postpone the inevitable.

For teams with 40+ players, the 10 year limit will come three seasons earlier! I'll have my chances when the time is right.

Originally posted by JcWildcat

If he reshuffles EEA, there won't be a cap. What are you guys requesting (no Demanding) the shuffle going to do after the shuffle when people go out and stack their roster with HIGH levels to get an easy trophy? Not everyone will do that, but I know of quite a few that would jump at that chance and have shown that. I'm not going to do that, but yeah people will. I'm still waiting for a couple players to be released from there team, but I had them recruited/committed already. Just an FYI.

Not demand anything, Bort started this post. Simply don't understand why people have a problem playing in more competive leagues!

meh, see above edit

You misunderstood my comments. I appreciate your work but I think shuffle will be for the best. Suely will be some that later will try to sign higher level players and "steal" a championship but I think will be a minority. And better to have 2-3 teams with some 40+ players than more full of them.
I'm done with this thread, I voted and there is no need to continue comment.

Caps make the game better. Level 50's beating level 25's is not fun. Many have two or three year contracts and will have no chance. Rest of game shuffled yet we do not in EE? Caps removed at AAA or maybe AA make more sense. A and BBB should be capped, better game, more people will stay. Do not make EE different than rest of game, cap them.

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Originally posted by vladykins
Originally posted by Kenshinzen

This is an *if* I'm prepared to face when I go to AA. But until then, I want a competive enviroment for my team.

But if you compete well in your "shuffled" A, then you will be in AA. And face the same problem. And ask for a reshuffle of AA. And on and on. All you do is postpone the inevitable.

Every league will be shuffled eventually. So whos to say next season AA wouldnt be shuffled.