Originally posted by dredgar
Guys please stop saying remove over the top of your zone skills to work, its fucking stupid!! HOnestly, take your personal opinion of wanting your team to be the best and think about how the zone actually works. Zone defense was never and will never be designed so that a CB/FS/SS that is in DEEP coverage to make INT. If you think it is you do not know a damn thing about football. I am all for CB on the outside being able to make INT in zone defense. But if a defender is the deep man, then any football coach teaches him to not go for the INT unless it is a 100% for sure thing. Why? because if he misses he allows a fucking TD. You want every position on your team to get 10% INT rate like your LB was and that is dumb as shit. The sims are showing now that zone defenses are still performing very well. Why? because you just nerfed most QBs in the game. Because there are not enough SP for a QB to actually get good pass power to beat what they just changed and still be accurate and have good technique. And what about the fucking awareness skills that are more important now too? you cant build a QB now that will be truly effective.
Stupid is your opinion and I've always respected yours, Xars, DL, Osiris, etc. Never once did I think anything you all said was stupid if I disagreed with you all... biased maybe, but never stupid. What you said about personal opinion of wanting your team to be the best can easily be applied to yours, Xars, Bo's, or whoever's opinion as well. It's a game, not real football, we all agree. Zone in this game does not work like real football and never will exactly because of such. We need to stop applying football logic to game logic because they will not always agree.
I don't want CBs, nor do I want LBs to get 10% Int rates. I do not want Zone's ability to get Ints to diminish because Zone is by design to get Ints instead of disrupting passes like Man, EotP vs OAI. Zone historically gives up more yards than Man and gives up a higher completion %, this was offset by the higher chance of creating TO's. This is a game balance thing due to Man being a more consistent defense. Maybe we should suggest that Man should have OAI adjusted to only fire with over the top help to be more fair to Zone... Let's see if there is enough points to still disrupt passes as before.
Arguing that there is not enough points to build a good QB is pretty asinine too when you know as well as I do that points on just about the entire defense is scarce to build... It's why we spend the majority of our S*s on Defense, even you do it. It will be far easier to just drop one S* off defense and make a S*QB than it will be to find a way to switch around your defense to add in a S*CB that is already stretched thin as is.
I'm not seeing the whole zone is working just as well as before yet, usually you all just make assumptions off a few games with just a few being zone.
Originally posted by dredgar
Myrik yes it is a game, but the game needs to at least somewhat resemble actual football or it's not a football game. I am all for zone working in situations, but you can not have the same SA work for every position on the field because that is not even remotely logical. Zone shark absolutely work for every position. but Eotp absolutely not it cant or it becomes broken.
And really you keep pointing out my QB as the completion issue, but what about all the other guys QB that were only being 60% completion guys? now they will look like xars QB and be useless even more. You can not expect a pure zone defense to be the gold standard of defense when it has never been effective for an entire game. WhY? because a decent QB can see the wholes and hit them all fucking day. Because that is what good QB are suppose to do, find the whole and throw in it all day. But now that is impossible as building a QB to do that is not possible.
The game already somewhat resembles football.
Saying "I am all for zone working in situations" is the problem... Zone needs to work period, not part of the time because of game balance.
I keep pointing out your QB because you run an elite team, you set the example as to how the game should play and how others should follow in your footsteps to be successful. Others learn by watching the likes of your team. For example, after Curt and I had success in Zone how many teams attempted to replicate our success? Not everyone could, but you did have guys like Ghanima who did... and once they do copy and build upon it, then it's suddenly a problem.
You guys complained hard enough that we got a complete rollback without any real testing over only 2 games played in the snow.
