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Originally posted by rainier
Originally posted by Just Osmo



Why do you care? If you recruited 40's then you will face 40's. Team who didnt and stay loyal to their agents and didnt hire mercenaries will now also be able to face like level competition.

My concern is that I was pretty much forced to reduce my chemistry to be competitive and cut a lot of players that I could have kept. It was an acceptable trade off because I would be facing weaker competition at times. The effect of chemistry is not well-understood, but if it has the chance to negatively affect my team then I am all for no shuffle.


You were not forced to do anything. You made the decision to recruit higher level players. I also had to recruit some players but i only recruited players that were in my range level because i knew there would be a shuffle eventually, i thought it would be next season but this season is even better.. Be more loyal to your players imho.

Originally posted by JcWildcat
He's said this league would NOT get a cap. I don't know how many times I've quoted that so everyone would know this. Guess no one paid attention until I bolded it. We (JcJayhawk and myself) spent quite a bit of time talking with Bort (in another thread) to get that figured out after this thread was made (because by now, we all know how clear Bort makes everything lol unintentionally).

We would get shuffled with like median levels, and then folks can go out and recruit whoever they want at whatever level they want (thus making the shuffle for overall competition pretty much pointless).

Quote for relevance, if you want to see the quote from bort, page 23.

Oh and current tally is 42-17 for Bort's easy reference.

Make that 43-17 as the Battle Creek Mayhem would also like to be reshuffled to maybe a level 32 capped league, seeing that I already picked up some level 29s to be some what competitive in a league where every team is releasing all of their players and picking up level 40+s. I'd like to be moved for a little better competition.

Battle Creek Mayhem / Europe East A #7
http://goallineblitz.com/game/team.pl?team_id=7097

43-17

Originally posted by Just Osmo
Originally posted by rainier

Originally posted by Just Osmo




Why do you care? If you recruited 40's then you will face 40's. Team who didnt and stay loyal to their agents and didnt hire mercenaries will now also be able to face like level competition.

My concern is that I was pretty much forced to reduce my chemistry to be competitive and cut a lot of players that I could have kept. It was an acceptable trade off because I would be facing weaker competition at times. The effect of chemistry is not well-understood, but if it has the chance to negatively affect my team then I am all for no shuffle.


You were not forced to do anything. You made the decision to recruit higher level players. I also had to recruit some players but i only recruited players that were in my range level because i knew there would be a shuffle eventually, i thought it would be next season but this season is even better.. Be more loyal to your players imho.

Almost seems as if he has zero loyalty to any of his agents. Its funny that he would not be willing to ride out one season so that he could keep the same team. Looks like a lame ass excuse. If you want a legit excuse then try saying that you disagree with the shuffle because a lot of players refused to resign with your team because they didn't want to be vastly out leveled in an uncapped league.

Originally posted by MadcatWillie
There are three types of teams who do not want to shuffle -

1) Those who have been beat up on for a couple seasons and now want to beat up on some people and get a (possibly easy) trophy.
2) Those promoted expansion teams who have already started (or finished) recruiting for an uncapped league.
3) Those who want to keep playing the same teams (rivalries).

None of those address the issue of overall competition, which is what the shuffle is all about. Every excuse or reason from the playbook can be thrown at not shuffling the leagues, but none of them will have anything to do with parity or overall competition level, which is the one reason shuffles are even being considered throughout GLB (and already done for a lot of leagues). For 8 seasons now agents have been complaining about the lack of overall competition in the lower leagues: CPU teams and slow-build teams. I'd make a bet that a good number of people in this thread (both for and against) have posted something sometime about that exact issue.

If you enjoy winning (or even losing) games 255-0 or 150-7 or anything of that sort, then you probably aren't the kind of agent that GLB needs anyway. I'm not saying that anyone posting here likes those things, but that is what a shuffle is trying to address, removing typical GLB blowouts. The biggest issue I can see against shuffling is that it will force owners and GMs to spend more time game-planning for the whole season than having 6 to 10 guaranteed wins (or more). In my opinion, if you aren't willing to put the time to try to win each individual game, then perhaps you shouldn't own or GM a team. And, in everyone's trek to the Pro leagues, you'll always have a chance to see those teams you like to play again and again. Unfortunately, GLB never quite gives us the opportunity to game plan for 16 games down here at the bottom. Maybe in the Pro-leagues but not here.

Anyway, none of that really matters. The issue is overall competition. If you can come up with a reason that the shuffle would actually "hurt" overall competition, by all means, let me know what it is. Until then, a shuffle is the only way to achieve that goal (which, is Bort's goal, if I read his posts correctly).

+1 we want competitive balanced leagues Yes for Shuffle! (don't count this as a vote i already voted)

Yes I know you already voted. Looks like I will have to quote the tally for rollover again soon.

Wish Bort would just get in here already.

Also hope everyone knows (from the several times we've quoted Bort's confirmation of no cap) that people can recruit whoever so that overall competition from the shuffle could get screwed anyway.

Originally posted by bongbreath
I GM Hammerfest, last year we would lose by a 100 or win by a 100, there couldn't have been a worse league as far as imbalance.

Bort should make sure we all have a fair shot to win, let player builds and strategy decide the champion.

What ever we had last year was a complete joke and as long as it gets fixed, I'm all for it.

Side note, Bort asked for a vote and this thread turned into a childish pissing match, thanks for making this thread unreadable children, you should have voted and allowed the process to work itself out.

Most of this crap is from EEA#1 Gm's who are 'friends' with bort. They run their mouths about this and that all day long. I had to deal with their pea brains all of season 8. All of them are upset Czechs beat up on them after they talked trash at the begining of the season. We tried to put these dorks in place.

Originally posted by Just Osmo
Originally posted by rainier

Originally posted by Just Osmo




Why do you care? If you recruited 40's then you will face 40's. Team who didnt and stay loyal to their agents and didnt hire mercenaries will now also be able to face like level competition.

My concern is that I was pretty much forced to reduce my chemistry to be competitive and cut a lot of players that I could have kept. It was an acceptable trade off because I would be facing weaker competition at times. The effect of chemistry is not well-understood, but if it has the chance to negatively affect my team then I am all for no shuffle.


You were not forced to do anything. You made the decision to recruit higher level players. I also had to recruit some players but i only recruited players that were in my range level because i knew there would be a shuffle eventually, i thought it would be next season but this season is even better.. Be more loyal to your players imho.

do you really believe what u typed?

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Originally posted by Sithas
Originally posted by Kenshinzen

With all respect sir, Czech voted already twice no need to vote again.

Originally posted by Bort

Looks like a lot of requests to be included in the shuffle script for this tier, 'specially since there were all the CPU's and such from last season's promotions getting moved down.

I would need a large majority of team owners or GM's in this league tier to approve this to make it happen. It would not happen on day 43, since I don't want to spring it suddenly and with no chance to set your level settings, but we could do it later in the offseason like day 44.

Please post a link to your team here if you approve of this, but ONLY if you're a team owner or GM in this league. Random players and people from other leagues need not apply. Thanks!



What are you trying to prove here? Bort never said he will count multiple votes from the same team. He also didn't say he won't. But common sense says that each team only gets one vote. Otherwise I can make my whole team GMs and have them all come on here to vote just to inflate the numbers.

meh

Originally posted by MadcatWillie
There are three types of teams who do not want to shuffle -

1) Those who have been beat up on for a couple seasons and now want to beat up on some people and get a (possibly easy) trophy.
2) Those promoted expansion teams who have already started (or finished) recruiting for an uncapped league.
3) Those who want to keep playing the same teams (rivalries).

None of those address the issue of overall competition, which is what the shuffle is all about. Every excuse or reason from the playbook can be thrown at not shuffling the leagues, but none of them will have anything to do with parity or overall competition level, which is the one reason shuffles are even being considered throughout GLB (and already done for a lot of leagues). For 8 seasons now agents have been complaining about the lack of overall competition in the lower leagues: CPU teams and slow-build teams. I'd make a bet that a good number of people in this thread (both for and against) have posted something sometime about that exact issue.

If you enjoy winning (or even losing) games 255-0 or 150-7 or anything of that sort, then you probably aren't the kind of agent that GLB needs anyway. I'm not saying that anyone posting here likes those things, but that is what a shuffle is trying to address, removing typical GLB blowouts. The biggest issue I can see against shuffling is that it will force owners and GMs to spend more time game-planning for the whole season than having 6 to 10 guaranteed wins (or more). In my opinion, if you aren't willing to put the time to try to win each individual game, then perhaps you shouldn't own or GM a team. And, in everyone's trek to the Pro leagues, you'll always have a chance to see those teams you like to play again and again. Unfortunately, GLB never quite gives us the opportunity to game plan for 16 games down here at the bottom. Maybe in the Pro-leagues but not here.

Anyway, none of that really matters. The issue is overall competition. If you can come up with a reason that the shuffle would actually "hurt" overall competition, by all means, let me know what it is. Until then, a shuffle is the only way to achieve that goal (which, is Bort's goal, if I read his posts correctly).

As I noted previously, levels is only *one* factor for competition. Builds and gameplanning, as well as active players who actually set their tactics like they are supposed to, and a little luck, all factor in. We had a variety of levels in EEA1 last season and it was still quite competitive, with a number of the games going either way, despite some teams with higher levels.

All shuffling does is makes it more competitive at the A level for one season. What do you do if you get promoted from A? Complain they have higher level players and then ask for another shuffle? Then what about promotion to AAA? Pro? Eventually, you are going to have to play a team that out levels yours.

You then come back to the choice you have now- 1) Recruit higher levels, 2) Keep your team intact, fight hard, and if you don't get it the first season, wait until you are ready to level up and move up again.

Instituting soft/hard capped levels for each league tier doesn't help, because the pyramid structure means you'd have a ton of higher level players with nowhere to play. So that is not a good solution either.

Originally posted by vladykins


As I noted previously, levels is only *one* factor for competition. Builds and gameplanning, as well as active players who actually set their tactics like they are supposed to, and a little luck, all factor in. We had a variety of levels in EEA1 last season and it was still quite competitive, with a number of the games going either way, despite some teams with higher levels.

All shuffling does is makes it more competitive at the A level for one season. What do you do if you get promoted from A? Complain they have higher level players and then ask for another shuffle? Then what about promotion to AAA? Pro? Eventually, you are going to have to play a team that out levels yours.

You then come back to the choice you have now- 1) Recruit higher levels, 2) Keep your team intact, fight hard, and if you don't get it the first season, wait until you are ready to level up and move up again.

Instituting soft/hard capped levels for each league tier doesn't help, because the pyramid structure means you'd have a ton of higher level players with nowhere to play. So that is not a good solution either.

There is a difference being in a league for multiple seasons trying to compete and being a new promoted team from BBB to an uncapped league. And this promotion came from the demotion of CPU teams.