This shouldnt ever leave the first page until it is implemented, imo.
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I can see some people with horrible teams in the Pros are already voting against this.
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minus alot....... would be better to have 5-7 Pro leagues by region ALL in the USA........ just saying.
Seems a very short sighted suggestion. It make sense in S19, but what will happen in S21 ?
The structure suggested in the OP is solid way to narrow the current 8 pro leagues to 6 leagues. But it is far from a long term solution (I doubt there is one).
The structure suggested in the OP is solid way to narrow the current 8 pro leagues to 6 leagues. But it is far from a long term solution (I doubt there is one).
whatje
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by the way, on a completely unrelated note, why is JuCo not one of the current league names? 
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Originally posted by We_Rule
minus alot....... would be better to have 5-7 Pro leagues by region ALL in the USA........ just saying.
might make sence if this game only had people from the USA but obviously this game is global.
minus alot....... would be better to have 5-7 Pro leagues by region ALL in the USA........ just saying.
might make sence if this game only had people from the USA but obviously this game is global.
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I thought the leagues were changing for again anyway, going to age based caps. Isn't a little soon to do another makeover? -1
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Originally posted by HerrWuff
no love for Africa...
They don't really play football in Africa though so...
As to the OP, I can tell you right now that this idea is not going to be popular. It's popular among the elite because they have players on these teams that are suggested for the various leagues. But the teams that go down and the teams coming up from AAA who now have an additional barrier to getting to the pros? Forget about it.
This is another example of the elite trying to dictate changes to the rest of the GLB population that tightens their grip on on the top tiers of the games. This will probably get a lot of yes votes early and then as the casual GLBer checks in, it will start to lose traction.
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no love for Africa...
They don't really play football in Africa though so...
As to the OP, I can tell you right now that this idea is not going to be popular. It's popular among the elite because they have players on these teams that are suggested for the various leagues. But the teams that go down and the teams coming up from AAA who now have an additional barrier to getting to the pros? Forget about it.
This is another example of the elite trying to dictate changes to the rest of the GLB population that tightens their grip on on the top tiers of the games. This will probably get a lot of yes votes early and then as the casual GLBer checks in, it will start to lose traction.
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Originally posted by razor9
They don't really play football in Africa though so...
As to the OP, I can tell you right now that this idea is not going to be popular. It's popular among the elite because they have players on these teams that are suggested for the various leagues. But the teams that go down and the teams coming up from AAA who now have an additional barrier to getting to the pros? Forget about it.
This is another example of the elite trying to dictate changes to the rest of the GLB population that tightens their grip on on the top tiers of the games. This will probably get a lot of yes votes early and then as the casual GLBer checks in, it will start to lose traction.
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The problem with this game is the lack of parity. Realistically it happens everywhere, even in the WL. That is the whole point for the lower leagues being sorted by age now is so that we can have more realistic games.
Teams that have 1, 2, or 3 wins right now in WL will just go back to their respective pro leagues next season and dominate. They need to have a place in between becuase even with level appropriate players some teams don't have the other intangibles, like coordinating, to be truly successful at the highest levels.
The argument that people wont like it becuase it will be harder to move up to the pros is lame. In the APL we have had so many new teams the past few seasons, and most of the owners questioning how they had moved up after being a 1 win playoff team in their last league and than getting destroyed every game in the pros.
I believe the bottom line there is that if you deserve to be in a Pro league than you will earn your way there. Same with WL or this potential hemisphere league.
I think it would be ridiculous to not make the top leagues the most competitive and the most fun as possible. If you would rather sacrifice that becuase you are afraid of the challenge than you shouldn't own a team.
+1 to the OP.
They don't really play football in Africa though so...
As to the OP, I can tell you right now that this idea is not going to be popular. It's popular among the elite because they have players on these teams that are suggested for the various leagues. But the teams that go down and the teams coming up from AAA who now have an additional barrier to getting to the pros? Forget about it.
This is another example of the elite trying to dictate changes to the rest of the GLB population that tightens their grip on on the top tiers of the games. This will probably get a lot of yes votes early and then as the casual GLBer checks in, it will start to lose traction.
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The problem with this game is the lack of parity. Realistically it happens everywhere, even in the WL. That is the whole point for the lower leagues being sorted by age now is so that we can have more realistic games.
Teams that have 1, 2, or 3 wins right now in WL will just go back to their respective pro leagues next season and dominate. They need to have a place in between becuase even with level appropriate players some teams don't have the other intangibles, like coordinating, to be truly successful at the highest levels.
The argument that people wont like it becuase it will be harder to move up to the pros is lame. In the APL we have had so many new teams the past few seasons, and most of the owners questioning how they had moved up after being a 1 win playoff team in their last league and than getting destroyed every game in the pros.
I believe the bottom line there is that if you deserve to be in a Pro league than you will earn your way there. Same with WL or this potential hemisphere league.
I think it would be ridiculous to not make the top leagues the most competitive and the most fun as possible. If you would rather sacrifice that becuase you are afraid of the challenge than you shouldn't own a team.
+1 to the OP.
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Originally posted by tragula
Seems a very short sighted suggestion. It make sense in S19, but what will happen in S21 ? The structure suggested in the OP is solid way to narrow the current 8 pro leagues to 6 leagues. But it is far from a long term solution (I doubt there is one).
Hemispheres have been suggested for a while. I think Rusty proposed it, as did WiSeIVIaN if memory serves. The need has been there for a while now, but extended plateau is actually making things worse for the Pro leagues, because you're pushing more and more elite talent down into the top level of Pro without doing anything to improve the middle and bottom. So you have bigger gaps in Pro than ever before, which produces highly uncompetitive seasons.
Originally posted by supgreg
I thought the leagues were changing for again anyway, going to age based caps. Isn't a little soon to do another makeover? -1
I presume this change would be incorporated into that one, meaning it's the perfect time to do this.
Originally posted by Husker2
Just have to make sure that you get the right top 64.
Agreed, and while there may be some hard feelings about the last 10 in and the last 10 left out, those remaining Pro teams would have better chances for trophies, plus the promotion system should get deserving teams into the Hemispheres soon enough. By the end of the season, NiborRis' rankings seem to be a pretty good measurement, although they're a little inaccurate right now.
Seems a very short sighted suggestion. It make sense in S19, but what will happen in S21 ? The structure suggested in the OP is solid way to narrow the current 8 pro leagues to 6 leagues. But it is far from a long term solution (I doubt there is one).
Hemispheres have been suggested for a while. I think Rusty proposed it, as did WiSeIVIaN if memory serves. The need has been there for a while now, but extended plateau is actually making things worse for the Pro leagues, because you're pushing more and more elite talent down into the top level of Pro without doing anything to improve the middle and bottom. So you have bigger gaps in Pro than ever before, which produces highly uncompetitive seasons.
Originally posted by supgreg
I thought the leagues were changing for again anyway, going to age based caps. Isn't a little soon to do another makeover? -1
I presume this change would be incorporated into that one, meaning it's the perfect time to do this.
Originally posted by Husker2
Just have to make sure that you get the right top 64.
Agreed, and while there may be some hard feelings about the last 10 in and the last 10 left out, those remaining Pro teams would have better chances for trophies, plus the promotion system should get deserving teams into the Hemispheres soon enough. By the end of the season, NiborRis' rankings seem to be a pretty good measurement, although they're a little inaccurate right now.
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Originally posted by razor9
As to the OP, I can tell you right now that this idea is not going to be popular. It's popular among the elite because they have players on these teams that are suggested for the various leagues. But the teams that go down and the teams coming up from AAA who now have an additional barrier to getting to the pros? Forget about it.
You need to re-read the OP, since what you said does not realistically apply. There is nothing being added between AAA and Pro, so it doesn't affect that at all. What it would do is to make Pro a more enjoyable experience. If you're a team without a network or a lot of veteran agents with meticulously planned builds, then right now those elite Pro teams are going to kick your head in. So what's the fun of making Pro if you're losing by 200? In a restructured system, those teams would actually have a chance of competing at the Pro level, which would improve the game for them. How can you not see that? Instead of lumping a bunch of teams together with wildly different talent levels, you would be grouping teams more according to their quality.
And as noted, a hemisphere system as described in the OP would not make it any harder or longer for someone to reach the World League, aside from the one exception for a team that would have won Pro in its first season under this current system. I'm not sure if any team has ever actually done that, as I believe it even took Valhalla until their second season.
Originally posted by HerrWuff
no love for Africa...
Yeah, sorry about that. You could obviously add another Pro region if you wanted to, but the more you add, the more you dilute the competition. That's still an easy solution if they want to do this, but think that only four Pro regions wouldn't hold enough teams. All you would do to modify the OP would be to increase the amount of demoting hemisphere teams by four in exchange for the new four promotees from the fifth Pro region.
As to the OP, I can tell you right now that this idea is not going to be popular. It's popular among the elite because they have players on these teams that are suggested for the various leagues. But the teams that go down and the teams coming up from AAA who now have an additional barrier to getting to the pros? Forget about it.
You need to re-read the OP, since what you said does not realistically apply. There is nothing being added between AAA and Pro, so it doesn't affect that at all. What it would do is to make Pro a more enjoyable experience. If you're a team without a network or a lot of veteran agents with meticulously planned builds, then right now those elite Pro teams are going to kick your head in. So what's the fun of making Pro if you're losing by 200? In a restructured system, those teams would actually have a chance of competing at the Pro level, which would improve the game for them. How can you not see that? Instead of lumping a bunch of teams together with wildly different talent levels, you would be grouping teams more according to their quality.
And as noted, a hemisphere system as described in the OP would not make it any harder or longer for someone to reach the World League, aside from the one exception for a team that would have won Pro in its first season under this current system. I'm not sure if any team has ever actually done that, as I believe it even took Valhalla until their second season.
Originally posted by HerrWuff
no love for Africa...
Yeah, sorry about that. You could obviously add another Pro region if you wanted to, but the more you add, the more you dilute the competition. That's still an easy solution if they want to do this, but think that only four Pro regions wouldn't hold enough teams. All you would do to modify the OP would be to increase the amount of demoting hemisphere teams by four in exchange for the new four promotees from the fifth Pro region.
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