Warrior General Games

Originally posted by jonnyGoBlue
From what I've read, most of those not in favor of the shuffle don't seem to understand what it does.

I understand exactly what it does and I don't want it. From an informal look through, neither does anybody else in EEA1 (since the one's I've seen post here appear to have voted no).

As I stated earlier, some of us have camaraderie and rivalries that have built up over multiple seasons, both in our league and with teams that have been promoted up. Shuffling once forces us to start a new. Shuffling every season basically kills this sort of relationship from ever happening.

I'm not sure what I'd do if we didn't ever get the Wolfpack for one of our cross-conference games, since we've been pulling them for two or three seasons now, often in preseason, our cross conference game, and in the postseason.

For teams moving up from BBB to A who are suddenly concerned about competing, you don't have to worry- we had a number of former BBB teams that competed quite well on moving up and one of them won our conference. There is more to levels in this game, there is builds, gameplanning, and a bit of luck. In addition, the BBB teams tend to have stronger stadiums than those who started off in A when there was no BBB when you had the choice of losing big in a uncapped league and focusing on your stadium or trying to compete and building the stadium much slower. In addition, BBB players moving up have had the advantage of adjusting to the nerfs of the past few seasons where some 40+ players are stuck building to past "strategies" that are less effective now.

Give your league a shot, or, if you really want to shuffle at this point, maybe do it on an A league by A league basis.

Originally posted by JcWildcat
Originally posted by kswass

I vote NO

We would have done things differently if there was going to be another reshuffle.



I don't believe that team had a vote yet, which brings the tally to 42-17.

I didn't add it before b/c I'm about to give up if Bort's not going to come back in as he said he would last night (see quote above with Bort).

lol quote for vlady's page rollover haha

Originally posted by jonnyGoBlue
Originally posted by kswass

I vote NO

We would have done things differently if there was going to be another reshuffle.



What would you have done differently and how would you be screwed over by a reshuffle now?

I'm doing my gameplanning now against the teams I've played in the past season, watching how they change their roster, and prepping for running into two Poo Faces on the Wolfpack this season. While it will remain in flux, any previous recruiting or gameplanning is out the window.

Originally posted by JcWildcat
Originally posted by JcWildcat

Originally posted by kswass


I vote NO

We would have done things differently if there was going to be another reshuffle.



I don't believe that team had a vote yet, which brings the tally to 42-17.

I didn't add it before b/c I'm about to give up if Bort's not going to come back in as he said he would last night (see quote above with Bort).

lol quote for vlady's page rollover haha

Hey, I don't know what I'll do if we aren't playing the Wolfpack at least two or three times each season.

Doing the shuffle by an A league by A league basis would probably be too complex? idk the script he's using or anything though.

Some did vote yes from A1 (I think, I didn't pay a bunch of attention to which A league they were in, just if the team was in an A league and if there were duplicate votes for the same team).

Originally posted by vladykins
Originally posted by JcWildcat

Originally posted by JcWildcat


Originally posted by kswass



I vote NO

We would have done things differently if there was going to be another reshuffle.



I don't believe that team had a vote yet, which brings the tally to 42-17.

I didn't add it before b/c I'm about to give up if Bort's not going to come back in as he said he would last night (see quote above with Bort).

lol quote for vlady's page rollover haha

Hey, I don't know what I'll do if we aren't playing the Wolfpack at least two or three times each season.

I know, we've got the friendly rivalry going and not even in the same conference lol.

There are three types of teams who do not want to shuffle -

1) Those who have been beat up on for a couple seasons and now want to beat up on some people and get a (possibly easy) trophy.
2) Those promoted expansion teams who have already started (or finished) recruiting for an uncapped league.
3) Those who want to keep playing the same teams (rivalries).

None of those address the issue of overall competition, which is what the shuffle is all about. Every excuse or reason from the playbook can be thrown at not shuffling the leagues, but none of them will have anything to do with parity or overall competition level, which is the one reason shuffles are even being considered throughout GLB (and already done for a lot of leagues). For 8 seasons now agents have been complaining about the lack of overall competition in the lower leagues: CPU teams and slow-build teams. I'd make a bet that a good number of people in this thread (both for and against) have posted something sometime about that exact issue.

If you enjoy winning (or even losing) games 255-0 or 150-7 or anything of that sort, then you probably aren't the kind of agent that GLB needs anyway. I'm not saying that anyone posting here likes those things, but that is what a shuffle is trying to address, removing typical GLB blowouts. The biggest issue I can see against shuffling is that it will force owners and GMs to spend more time game-planning for the whole season than having 6 to 10 guaranteed wins (or more). In my opinion, if you aren't willing to put the time to try to win each individual game, then perhaps you shouldn't own or GM a team. And, in everyone's trek to the Pro leagues, you'll always have a chance to see those teams you like to play again and again. Unfortunately, GLB never quite gives us the opportunity to game plan for 16 games down here at the bottom. Maybe in the Pro-leagues but not here.

Anyway, none of that really matters. The issue is overall competition. If you can come up with a reason that the shuffle would actually "hurt" overall competition, by all means, let me know what it is. Until then, a shuffle is the only way to achieve that goal (which, is Bort's goal, if I read his posts correctly).

edited

Originally posted by Bort



Originally posted by JCJayhawk


So in summation so I can go to bed:

--If EEA is shuffled there will be no capped leagues.

--We will be shuffled into a league with "like" leveled teams.

--There is no chance for our median level to be outleveled by 15-20 plus levels in the league after the shuffle.

Is this Correct?

Yep. Of course if there's no caps, somebody could still recruit to outlevel you by the 20 levels I suppose.

Quote for rollovers and bold for relevance.

Originally posted by MadcatWillie
There are three types of teams who do not want to shuffle -

Anyway, none of that really matters. The issue is overall competition. If you can come up with a reason that the shuffle would actually "hurt" overall competition, by all means, let me know what it is. Until then, a shuffle is the only way to achieve that goal (which, is Bort's goal, if I read his posts correctly).

Like I've said previously, myself and others are going to be hurt because we recruited to compete in leagues where the average level was in the 40's. That required me to dump most of my previous team. Had to do it be competitive because at the time there was not going to be a shuffle in EEA. Now I and those others will be put with teams that had established level 40's where we cannot compete because of our low chemistry. That affects overall competition for those leagues. Because I know I am not alone.

I am not opposed to a shuffle. I am opposed to a shuffle before this season. Because it was originally communicated that EE would not be shuffled.

Originally posted by JcWildcat
Originally posted by Bort




Originally posted by JCJayhawk



So in summation so I can go to bed:

--If EEA is shuffled there will be no capped leagues.

--We will be shuffled into a league with "like" leveled teams.

--There is no chance for our median level to be outleveled by 15-20 plus levels in the league after the shuffle.

Is this Correct?

Yep. Of course if there's no caps, somebody could still recruit to outlevel you by the 20 levels I suppose.

Quote for rollovers and bold for relevance.




I would hope we would get caps if he shuffles. If not whats the point? We want to have like competition for the whole season..

Originally posted by rainier
Originally posted by MadcatWillie

There are three types of teams who do not want to shuffle -

Anyway, none of that really matters. The issue is overall competition. If you can come up with a reason that the shuffle would actually "hurt" overall competition, by all means, let me know what it is. Until then, a shuffle is the only way to achieve that goal (which, is Bort's goal, if I read his posts correctly).

Like I've said previously, myself and others are going to be hurt because we recruited to compete in leagues where the average level was in the 40's. That required me to dump most of my previous team. Had to do it be competitive because at the time there was not going to be a shuffle in EEA. Now I and those others will be put with teams that had established level 40's where we cannot compete because of our low chemistry. That affects overall competition for those leagues. Because I know I am not alone.

I am not opposed to a shuffle. I am opposed to a shuffle before this season. Because it was originally communicated that EE would not be shuffled.


Why do you care? If you recruited 40's then you will face 40's. Team who didnt and stay loyal to their agents and didnt hire mercenaries will now also be able to face like level competition.

edited, leaving the quote for rollover though.

Originally posted by Just Osmo


Why do you care? If you recruited 40's then you will face 40's. Team who didnt and stay loyal to their agents and didnt hire mercenaries will now also be able to face like level competition.

My concern is that I was pretty much forced to reduce my chemistry to be competitive and cut a lot of players that I could have kept. It was an acceptable trade off because I would be facing weaker competition at times. The effect of chemistry is not well-understood, but if it has the chance to negatively affect my team then I am all for no shuffle.

It's very disappointing to be promoted to a league full of 50's. We have no chance at winning more than a couple games.

Alot of people say "Just recruit higher lvl players"

Well, whatever happened to trying to keep teams together? Wasn't there talks from Bort (long ago) about some sort of reward (fame) for teams that keep the same players for a extended time? Some sportsmanship thingy?

Seems to me if you are going to promote a lvl 29 team to a 50 league, you are promoting hiring and firing players every season just so that team can stay up to date with the rest of the league.

Bort, make up your mind... do you want us to try to keep teams together or do you want everyone to be cutting everyone every season and hiring higher lvl players every season.

Whatever happened to the extra fame for players that stay on a team for long periods of time?

How the Hell can we keep a team together when we get promoted to a lvl 50 league and were only 29?????