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Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Deathblade
9 times out of 10, it will be filled with not caring for 2-3 pages, then the subject will change to TF2, or French Toast.
And this by the way, is what pisses people off. They tend to hate that nobody gives a damn about their team. Again, I use Yetis as an example...they hated the forum because the only thing they could do was talk about how great their dots were, and honestly, nobody in CPL gives a damn how good their dots are.
That's a HUGE part of the problem that a lot of people have with CPL.
So then occasionally, one of the new teams decides to put their foot down, and try to change stuff. Generally attacking and trolling CPL by quoting rules, and calling them childish. Then when CPL retaliates, they call in support, or some of the mods that are also pissy that CPL doesn't care.
consider this -- if you truly didn't care about their team/etc, wouldn't it be better just to simply ignore them?
instead of 2-3 pages, how about quite literally 0 replies?
Originally posted by Deathblade
9 times out of 10, it will be filled with not caring for 2-3 pages, then the subject will change to TF2, or French Toast.
And this by the way, is what pisses people off. They tend to hate that nobody gives a damn about their team. Again, I use Yetis as an example...they hated the forum because the only thing they could do was talk about how great their dots were, and honestly, nobody in CPL gives a damn how good their dots are.
That's a HUGE part of the problem that a lot of people have with CPL.
So then occasionally, one of the new teams decides to put their foot down, and try to change stuff. Generally attacking and trolling CPL by quoting rules, and calling them childish. Then when CPL retaliates, they call in support, or some of the mods that are also pissy that CPL doesn't care.
consider this -- if you truly didn't care about their team/etc, wouldn't it be better just to simply ignore them?
instead of 2-3 pages, how about quite literally 0 replies?
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Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams
because they're terrible mods who can't stand people who don't submit to them in every way. They're power-hungry and unprofessional.
You'd have a point if we had mods that were established as good or even decent but these are fucking terrible mods so their horrible behavior is in no way surprising. It wasn't BigT invading our forum, it was voltron. the feudel of mods.
so... mods that agree with you = awesome and mods that disagree with you = terrible, power-hungry, and unprofessional?
this isn't a convincing argument, even if you are right.
I cite such people as Jed and BigT to invalidate your claim. Jed does a lot of disagreeing with me and supporting the administration and other mods when I think he's wrong (and have a suspicion he sometimes knows they're wrong), but he isn't a terrible mod usually.
Hell, voltron, darkus, and NMV have all agreed with me on various occasions, but they were still terrible mods. Bones doesn't generally agree with me and I don't dislike the fellow, but he's a terrible mod. I have never had a run-in with a number of other people, but they're still terrible mods.
I argue with VT all the fucking time, on the other hand, and he's still a pretty good mod. BigT isn't here supporting me and I've been maintaining that he's the best mod (though less active) since we lost Ash.
i'm not sure how this invalidates my claim... especially since i'm not sure i even made one.
i mean, you're the one who specified a population of "fucking terrible mods"... so all you've really done here is furnish a list of people who you're saying aren't in that category.
or maybe i'm missing something here.
You said this:
Originally posted by cat
so... mods that agree with you = awesome and mods that disagree with you = terrible, power-hungry, and unprofessional?
looks like a claim to me, and is completely invalidated by me naming mods I argue with a lot who I don't consider terrible.
Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams
because they're terrible mods who can't stand people who don't submit to them in every way. They're power-hungry and unprofessional.
You'd have a point if we had mods that were established as good or even decent but these are fucking terrible mods so their horrible behavior is in no way surprising. It wasn't BigT invading our forum, it was voltron. the feudel of mods.
so... mods that agree with you = awesome and mods that disagree with you = terrible, power-hungry, and unprofessional?
this isn't a convincing argument, even if you are right.
I cite such people as Jed and BigT to invalidate your claim. Jed does a lot of disagreeing with me and supporting the administration and other mods when I think he's wrong (and have a suspicion he sometimes knows they're wrong), but he isn't a terrible mod usually.
Hell, voltron, darkus, and NMV have all agreed with me on various occasions, but they were still terrible mods. Bones doesn't generally agree with me and I don't dislike the fellow, but he's a terrible mod. I have never had a run-in with a number of other people, but they're still terrible mods.
I argue with VT all the fucking time, on the other hand, and he's still a pretty good mod. BigT isn't here supporting me and I've been maintaining that he's the best mod (though less active) since we lost Ash.
i'm not sure how this invalidates my claim... especially since i'm not sure i even made one.
i mean, you're the one who specified a population of "fucking terrible mods"... so all you've really done here is furnish a list of people who you're saying aren't in that category.
or maybe i'm missing something here.
You said this:
Originally posted by cat
so... mods that agree with you = awesome and mods that disagree with you = terrible, power-hungry, and unprofessional?
looks like a claim to me, and is completely invalidated by me naming mods I argue with a lot who I don't consider terrible.
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Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Catullus 16
it's too bad we can't intercept that process just a little bit... if only to avoid situations like this one and to prevent any sort of crackdown.
You won't keep the "righteous" people out of CPL, or the "sinners" out of the GG forum.
true... but the righteous wouldn't be able to complain, and the sinners would take their lumps.
win-win.
Originally posted by Catullus 16
it's too bad we can't intercept that process just a little bit... if only to avoid situations like this one and to prevent any sort of crackdown.
You won't keep the "righteous" people out of CPL, or the "sinners" out of the GG forum.
true... but the righteous wouldn't be able to complain, and the sinners would take their lumps.
win-win.
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Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Deathblade
9 times out of 10, it will be filled with not caring for 2-3 pages, then the subject will change to TF2, or French Toast.
And this by the way, is what pisses people off. They tend to hate that nobody gives a damn about their team. Again, I use Yetis as an example...they hated the forum because the only thing they could do was talk about how great their dots were, and honestly, nobody in CPL gives a damn how good their dots are.
That's a HUGE part of the problem that a lot of people have with CPL.
So then occasionally, one of the new teams decides to put their foot down, and try to change stuff. Generally attacking and trolling CPL by quoting rules, and calling them childish. Then when CPL retaliates, they call in support, or some of the mods that are also pissy that CPL doesn't care.
consider this -- if you truly didn't care about their team/etc, wouldn't it be better just to simply ignore them?
instead of 2-3 pages, how about quite literally 0 replies?
That would be fine, but so what? You're asking 30 people to refrain from sharing their opinion rather than asking one person not to get upset when they share the opinion (which is not an insult to that one person). Not very practical.
Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Deathblade
9 times out of 10, it will be filled with not caring for 2-3 pages, then the subject will change to TF2, or French Toast.
And this by the way, is what pisses people off. They tend to hate that nobody gives a damn about their team. Again, I use Yetis as an example...they hated the forum because the only thing they could do was talk about how great their dots were, and honestly, nobody in CPL gives a damn how good their dots are.
That's a HUGE part of the problem that a lot of people have with CPL.
So then occasionally, one of the new teams decides to put their foot down, and try to change stuff. Generally attacking and trolling CPL by quoting rules, and calling them childish. Then when CPL retaliates, they call in support, or some of the mods that are also pissy that CPL doesn't care.
consider this -- if you truly didn't care about their team/etc, wouldn't it be better just to simply ignore them?
instead of 2-3 pages, how about quite literally 0 replies?
That would be fine, but so what? You're asking 30 people to refrain from sharing their opinion rather than asking one person not to get upset when they share the opinion (which is not an insult to that one person). Not very practical.
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Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Iceman16
GLB forums are pretty much the first ones I've ever posted in, and I haven't fallen into any tarps since I started posting in CPL (cept when I advertised for coordinating before S6, oh gawd). It's pretty easy to not look like a fucking idiot.
am i lacking testosterone or something?
i feel sorry for people like boltz. i may do things like make the BoltzStalker™, but i'd rather help him out if he's just freaking listen for once.
I'm not sure I see your point here...
It's also worth noting that I've had civil conversations with SI, Ubasstards, roctronic, and onepeat, all of whom said they didnt really have a problem with me (at least then), and I've tried to explain to them what's getting them made fun of, but then they ignore me and call a retard like drksandman to come abuse his power...
must be a problem with your explanation then.
and my point is that i feel sorry for the "fucking idiots" out there... especially since it's really not that hard to avoid (which was iceman's point).
FFA has that "tips for new posters" thread... maybe the CPL needs a legit one as well.
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Iceman16
GLB forums are pretty much the first ones I've ever posted in, and I haven't fallen into any tarps since I started posting in CPL (cept when I advertised for coordinating before S6, oh gawd). It's pretty easy to not look like a fucking idiot.
am i lacking testosterone or something?
i feel sorry for people like boltz. i may do things like make the BoltzStalker™, but i'd rather help him out if he's just freaking listen for once.
I'm not sure I see your point here...
It's also worth noting that I've had civil conversations with SI, Ubasstards, roctronic, and onepeat, all of whom said they didnt really have a problem with me (at least then), and I've tried to explain to them what's getting them made fun of, but then they ignore me and call a retard like drksandman to come abuse his power...
must be a problem with your explanation then.
and my point is that i feel sorry for the "fucking idiots" out there... especially since it's really not that hard to avoid (which was iceman's point).
FFA has that "tips for new posters" thread... maybe the CPL needs a legit one as well.
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Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Catullus 16
i feel sorry for people like boltz. i may do things like make the BoltzStalker™, but i'd rather help him out if he's just freaking listen for once.
He won't listen.
I've spent hours trying to explain to him why he gets made fun of and picked on...he agrees to stop, then continues doing it after he is unbanned.
i fully agree.
but that just makes me feel even more sorry for him. i mean, there's obviously something wrong with that kid.
Originally posted by Catullus 16
i feel sorry for people like boltz. i may do things like make the BoltzStalker™, but i'd rather help him out if he's just freaking listen for once.
He won't listen.
I've spent hours trying to explain to him why he gets made fun of and picked on...he agrees to stop, then continues doing it after he is unbanned.
i fully agree.
but that just makes me feel even more sorry for him. i mean, there's obviously something wrong with that kid.
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Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Iceman16
GLB forums are pretty much the first ones I've ever posted in, and I haven't fallen into any tarps since I started posting in CPL (cept when I advertised for coordinating before S6, oh gawd). It's pretty easy to not look like a fucking idiot.
am i lacking testosterone or something?
i feel sorry for people like boltz. i may do things like make the BoltzStalker™, but i'd rather help him out if he's just freaking listen for once.
I'm not sure I see your point here...
It's also worth noting that I've had civil conversations with SI, Ubasstards, roctronic, and onepeat, all of whom said they didnt really have a problem with me (at least then), and I've tried to explain to them what's getting them made fun of, but then they ignore me and call a retard like drksandman to come abuse his power...
must be a problem with your explanation then.
and my point is that i feel sorry for the "fucking idiots" out there... especially since it's really not that hard to avoid (which was iceman's point).
FFA has that "tips for new posters" thread... maybe the CPL needs a legit one as well.
No, no problem with my explanation. They understand what I'm saying, they just don't like it so they ignore it. Like, they continue to talk to me and admit I have some poitns but then turn around and call mods whenever they can, things like that.
Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Iceman16
GLB forums are pretty much the first ones I've ever posted in, and I haven't fallen into any tarps since I started posting in CPL (cept when I advertised for coordinating before S6, oh gawd). It's pretty easy to not look like a fucking idiot.
am i lacking testosterone or something?
i feel sorry for people like boltz. i may do things like make the BoltzStalker™, but i'd rather help him out if he's just freaking listen for once.
I'm not sure I see your point here...
It's also worth noting that I've had civil conversations with SI, Ubasstards, roctronic, and onepeat, all of whom said they didnt really have a problem with me (at least then), and I've tried to explain to them what's getting them made fun of, but then they ignore me and call a retard like drksandman to come abuse his power...
must be a problem with your explanation then.
and my point is that i feel sorry for the "fucking idiots" out there... especially since it's really not that hard to avoid (which was iceman's point).
FFA has that "tips for new posters" thread... maybe the CPL needs a legit one as well.
No, no problem with my explanation. They understand what I'm saying, they just don't like it so they ignore it. Like, they continue to talk to me and admit I have some poitns but then turn around and call mods whenever they can, things like that.
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Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Catullus 16
instead of "uptight douchebags", how about "people who don't know the memes yet"?
People who get offended and starts crying to admins when a random person on an internet forum says gtfo is pretty uptight and taking themselves/the internet way too seriously.
Has nothing to do with "knowing memes", it has to do with having thicker skin than a wet paper bag.
eh... if some stranger said "get the fuck out" to my face for no reason, i'd send them to the hospital. that has nothing to do with being "uptight" or taking myself "too seriously" or not having "thick skin". why? because if it was my friend, i wouldn't give it a second thought.
the internet is a learned language... and one of the lessons is that "GTFO" on the internet doesn't mean what it means in real life. can you seriously expect a person to be born with that knowledge?
the whole "i can insult you any way i want and if you don't like it it's your fault" argument seems a little self-serving to me... kind of like "everyone's a little racist", etc.
Originally posted by Catullus 16
instead of "uptight douchebags", how about "people who don't know the memes yet"?
People who get offended and starts crying to admins when a random person on an internet forum says gtfo is pretty uptight and taking themselves/the internet way too seriously.
Has nothing to do with "knowing memes", it has to do with having thicker skin than a wet paper bag.
eh... if some stranger said "get the fuck out" to my face for no reason, i'd send them to the hospital. that has nothing to do with being "uptight" or taking myself "too seriously" or not having "thick skin". why? because if it was my friend, i wouldn't give it a second thought.
the internet is a learned language... and one of the lessons is that "GTFO" on the internet doesn't mean what it means in real life. can you seriously expect a person to be born with that knowledge?
the whole "i can insult you any way i want and if you don't like it it's your fault" argument seems a little self-serving to me... kind of like "everyone's a little racist", etc.
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Originally posted by r87
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
i think what's happening here is that what passes for a non-insult for most of the CPL is still very insulting for some.
consider "GTFO".
GTFO is the only exception I can think of, because that does get tossed around a lot (its half-joking, but you can't blame a newbie for not knowing that) but even that isn't so common until someone roctronic's.
and then you've also got the effect that said newbie misperceives every further meme and inside joke as yet another personal attack.
i'm not saying this is right or wrong, i'm just trying to point to the mechanics of what happens.
The problem is, this happens when users are new to the internet in general, as is wont to be the case for older people, under 15 year olds, and retards.
indeed.
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
i think what's happening here is that what passes for a non-insult for most of the CPL is still very insulting for some.
consider "GTFO".
GTFO is the only exception I can think of, because that does get tossed around a lot (its half-joking, but you can't blame a newbie for not knowing that) but even that isn't so common until someone roctronic's.
and then you've also got the effect that said newbie misperceives every further meme and inside joke as yet another personal attack.
i'm not saying this is right or wrong, i'm just trying to point to the mechanics of what happens.
The problem is, this happens when users are new to the internet in general, as is wont to be the case for older people, under 15 year olds, and retards.
indeed.
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Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Catullus 16
instead of "uptight douchebags", how about "people who don't know the memes yet"?
People who get offended and starts crying to admins when a random person on an internet forum says gtfo is pretty uptight and taking themselves/the internet way too seriously.
Has nothing to do with "knowing memes", it has to do with having thicker skin than a wet paper bag.
eh... if some stranger said "get the fuck out" to my face for no reason, i'd send them to the hospital. that has nothing to do with being "uptight" or taking myself "too seriously" or not having "thick skin". why? because if it was my friend, i wouldn't give it a second thought.
the internet is a learned language... and one of the lessons is that "GTFO" on the internet doesn't mean what it means in real life. can you seriously expect a person to be born with that knowledge?
the whole "i can insult you any way i want and if you don't like it it's your fault" argument seems a little self-serving to me... kind of like "everyone's a little racist", etc.
i'm gonna have to disagree with you. If you go into a violent rage at something liek that, that's pretty uptight.
Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Catullus 16
instead of "uptight douchebags", how about "people who don't know the memes yet"?
People who get offended and starts crying to admins when a random person on an internet forum says gtfo is pretty uptight and taking themselves/the internet way too seriously.
Has nothing to do with "knowing memes", it has to do with having thicker skin than a wet paper bag.
eh... if some stranger said "get the fuck out" to my face for no reason, i'd send them to the hospital. that has nothing to do with being "uptight" or taking myself "too seriously" or not having "thick skin". why? because if it was my friend, i wouldn't give it a second thought.
the internet is a learned language... and one of the lessons is that "GTFO" on the internet doesn't mean what it means in real life. can you seriously expect a person to be born with that knowledge?
the whole "i can insult you any way i want and if you don't like it it's your fault" argument seems a little self-serving to me... kind of like "everyone's a little racist", etc.
i'm gonna have to disagree with you. If you go into a violent rage at something liek that, that's pretty uptight.
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Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
"happens in every forum" = "everyone else is doing it"
i guess the point here is that since the GG crowd isn't wrong about the rule-flouting that then that needs to be addressed somehow. either adjust the forum rules (good luck), or create custom rules (and then also justify why the CPL gets that favor), or do the segregation thing... or get some sort of newbie-advocate to deflect this sort of thing.
let's agree that any other forum would be having these same issues if they were as active as the CPL. so this is nothing about the CPL regulars/mods in particular. given that it's a structural problem, i'm just wondering if there's a structural solution.
Change the rules and/or (and this part is necessary either way) fire the dozen mods who are godawful and replace them with people capable of using discretion in a responsible manner.
No forum anywhere are the rules completely followed excluding rule-less forums. But no forum is ever successful when mods are chosen so arbitrarily, given so much autonomy, and suck so badly.
fine, although that's certainly not a structural fix.
further, i think anyone advocating for a mod purge needs to be willing for mods to have universal jurisdiction (just an opinion).
Originally posted by Catullus 16
"happens in every forum" = "everyone else is doing it"
i guess the point here is that since the GG crowd isn't wrong about the rule-flouting that then that needs to be addressed somehow. either adjust the forum rules (good luck), or create custom rules (and then also justify why the CPL gets that favor), or do the segregation thing... or get some sort of newbie-advocate to deflect this sort of thing.
let's agree that any other forum would be having these same issues if they were as active as the CPL. so this is nothing about the CPL regulars/mods in particular. given that it's a structural problem, i'm just wondering if there's a structural solution.
Change the rules and/or (and this part is necessary either way) fire the dozen mods who are godawful and replace them with people capable of using discretion in a responsible manner.
No forum anywhere are the rules completely followed excluding rule-less forums. But no forum is ever successful when mods are chosen so arbitrarily, given so much autonomy, and suck so badly.
fine, although that's certainly not a structural fix.
further, i think anyone advocating for a mod purge needs to be willing for mods to have universal jurisdiction (just an opinion).
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Originally posted by Azure Dreams
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Catullus 16
and GTFO only really became universal a few seasons ago.
LOLOLOL WAT?
GTFO has been around WAY before GLB was even thought of.
that's not at all what i mean, of course.
i'm saying GTFO wasn't universal within GLB until a few seasons ago. same thing with "wat" a couple seasons before that.
now everyone says it and everyone gets it.
so... cpl needs to be punished for setting trends?
?
Originally posted by Catullus 16
Originally posted by Deathblade
Originally posted by Catullus 16
and GTFO only really became universal a few seasons ago.
LOLOLOL WAT?
GTFO has been around WAY before GLB was even thought of.
that's not at all what i mean, of course.
i'm saying GTFO wasn't universal within GLB until a few seasons ago. same thing with "wat" a couple seasons before that.
now everyone says it and everyone gets it.
so... cpl needs to be punished for setting trends?
?
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Originally posted by r87
See Catullus, I saw that FLgator thread and before I even read it I was like...oh fuck shit's goin' down
ha, well... i knew it was going to end badly. i wasn't confused about that.... i just read the OP on its face and wasn't aware of the background.
next time i'll call for links or something.
See Catullus, I saw that FLgator thread and before I even read it I was like...oh fuck shit's goin' down
ha, well... i knew it was going to end badly. i wasn't confused about that.... i just read the OP on its face and wasn't aware of the background.
next time i'll call for links or something.
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Originally posted by Catullus 16
the whole "i can insult you any way i want and if you don't like it it's your fault" argument seems a little self-serving to me... kind of like "everyone's a little racist", etc.
It isn't self-serving.
It is showing that there's a wide range of being offended or not. Where do you put the line? 20 different forums for 20 different lines?
If you take the 5-6 users in CPL that have a problem with the current CPL line, and put them together, I guarantee that 1-2 of them will have a problem with the new line.
the whole "i can insult you any way i want and if you don't like it it's your fault" argument seems a little self-serving to me... kind of like "everyone's a little racist", etc.
It isn't self-serving.
It is showing that there's a wide range of being offended or not. Where do you put the line? 20 different forums for 20 different lines?
If you take the 5-6 users in CPL that have a problem with the current CPL line, and put them together, I guarantee that 1-2 of them will have a problem with the new line.
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