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Originally posted by Absolut Zero
I vote for the supreme DT stat. Pass Deflections. My reasoning is that something positive should come from my experiment. Eh? Eh?

How much SP did you spend on PRD? Including the opportunity cost of taking Towering Man.

Looks like you are producing about 1 PD a game on average above base (comparing to my DT with nothing invested in PRD or Vertical, and very little in BAwr). Just wondering what 1 incompletion is worth in terms of SP investment.

Originally posted by Cuivienen
How much SP did you spend on PRD? Including the opportunity cost of taking Towering Man.

Looks like you are producing about 1 PD a game on average above base (comparing to my DT with nothing invested in PRD or Vertical, and very little in BAwr). Just wondering what 1 incompletion is worth in terms of SP investment.

Over 9000...Eh? Eh?

Originally posted by Cuivienen
How much SP did you spend on PRD? Including the opportunity cost of taking Towering Man.

Looks like you are producing about 1 PD a game on average above base (comparing to my DT with nothing invested in PRD or Vertical, and very little in BAwr). Just wondering what 1 incompletion is worth in terms of SP investment.

Too much. One of several problems are the throwing lanes. Not all 4 of the pure pass d-lineman get equal PD numbers. The more run focused d-lineman could have easily swapped out traits for better use, I wound up not spending any SP on PRD with them. In part because I didn't boost.

All 4 of the PRD guys have 90+ in that and Blitz Awareness. My other team, now JMan, is built wildly differently and I'm happier with them.

Just looking at your best PD DT, it looks like you are getting about 30 extra deflections a season in exchange for about 80 less hurries and a dozen less sacks. Ignoring the loss of yards and morale/energy hits of a sack, if the hurries result in an incomplete only 25% of the time, going PRD focus is a bad trade in terms of generating incompletions.

Originally posted by David146
Updated:

159 Lamar ++Houston++ (regoob2) in S4
147 Al Coholic (DeeVee8) S17
142 Bubba Horne (Motiak) S5
139 Maliek Collins (vipermaw) S15
134 Bubba Horne (Motiak) S6
131 Siberian Tiger (David146) S17
130 Supa Fly (robbie83) S15
129 Ace Hitchcock (BlitzingLB) S8
127 MC_Test Tiki (MC Hammer) S10

Some notable Rev Cakes leaders:

224 Wiley "Mad Man" Muntz (Detroit Leos) S17
203 Ryder Booth (Mutleyddmc DTD) S11
199 Buck Murdoch (Myrik_Justiciar) S16
196 Ian Bain (TSgamer) S14
193 Ron Yates (Ojodeltigre) S17
191 Wiley "Mad Man" Muntz (Detroit Leos) S16



DT Angus Thermopyle. http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/198486
234 RevCakes in S17

Originally posted by Cuivienen
Just looking at your best PD DT, it looks like you are getting about 30 extra deflections a season in exchange for about 80 less hurries and a dozen less sacks. Ignoring the loss of yards and morale/energy hits of a sack, if the hurries result in an incomplete only 25% of the time, going PRD focus is a bad trade in terms of generating incompletions.

I'd say so.

Originally posted by David146

INTs are great, but actually I would be curious to see Target/Rec allowed rates for DBs or maybe INT return yards to see if Pick 6 ever improves and actually becomes worth it someday. Maybe someone will do those someday for you to add as well


I would be curious about that as well. I don't have the motivation to figure it out though. That is more difficult to track down since guys with good reception allowed rates won't always be at the top of the HOF rankings, so it would require clicking on a bunch of players and then having to calculate the rates on each season. On top of that it isn't even listed in the stats portion of GLB2 scout. So I couldn't even use that as a helper.

Originally posted by Rob.
I would be curious about that as well. I don't have the motivation to figure it out though. That is more difficult to track down since guys with good reception allowed rates won't always be at the top of the HOF rankings, so it would require clicking on a bunch of players and then having to calculate the rates on each season. On top of that it isn't even listed in the stats portion of GLB2 scout. So I couldn't even use that as a helper.

Fastest way I can think of would be to go to the league page, filter by targets, then individually click the best looking ratio'd ones to see what they put up in ladder as well. This has the problem of no historical data by league.

It's also extremely time consuming.

For me rec allowed rating is one of the most important stats for DBs, specially CBs, its like QB Completion rating. Another important stat could be targeted per plays. A CB with targ/recalw/pd 50/5/5 is better then a CB with 100/10/10, if they had the same amount of snaps. A good pass defender gets a lot of PDs, but a great pass defender won't even have the oportunity to make a PD, since the QB won't throw in his direction - see Darrell Revis 09 season.

Originally posted by McLovinCowboys
For me rec allowed rating is one of the most important stats for DBs, specially CBs, its like QB Completion rating. Another important stat could be targeted per plays. A CB with targ/recalw/pd 50/5/5 is better then a CB with 100/10/10, if they had the same amount of snaps. A good pass defender gets a lot of PDs, but a great pass defender won't even have the oportunity to make a PD, since the QB won't throw in his direction - see Darrell Revis 09 season.

Not necessarily the same thing in this game though. A player could face fewer targets due to getting fewer snaps and/or being put in spots that see less targets. Plus there are zones which don't count towards targets. CB is one of the more difficult positions to figure out who the best really are.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/2015-10-21_16-09-27.png , if somehow GLB2 could automatically reproduce this formula (like QB ratg), coverage grade would be the best stat for DBs.

Originally posted by Rob.
Not necessarily the same thing in this game though. A player could face fewer targets due to getting fewer snaps and/or being put in spots that see less targets.

Yeah, thats why it has to consider the amout of snaps, but its a complicated stat. But it similar to QBs, if a QB play against zone defense or blitzing DBs, he could have a better pass rating. Its very tricky though.

Originally posted by Absolut Zero
I vote for the supreme DT stat. Pass Deflections. My reasoning is that something positive should come from my experiment. Eh? Eh?

I ran an all around S* DT who invested in skills which should have helped with PDs. He was an all rounder so did not go crazy but still ended up with 78 PRD, 74 BA and 50 Vert. Did this a while back and he is retired now. I personally did not see enough to warrant the SP expenditure and figure you could get more investing in core skills.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/122702

Originally posted by David146

Some notable Rev Cakes leaders:

224 Wiley "Mad Man" Muntz (Detroit Leos) S17
203 Ryder Booth (Mutleyddmc DTD) S11
199 Buck Murdoch (Myrik_Justiciar) S16
196 Ian Bain (TSgamer) S14
193 Ron Yates (Ojodeltigre) S17
191 Wiley "Mad Man" Muntz (Detroit Leos) S16


Using Stobie's tool this is what I get for Rev Cakes:

S16 Timmy Harris - 268
S17 The Keeper - 264
S16 Incredible Hulk - 258
S17 Angus Thermopyle - 234
S17 And don't call me Shirley - 233
S17 Cullen Jenkins - 233
S16 Jahovas Hankins - 231
S17 Wiley "Mad Man" Muntz - 228
S16 And don't call - 227
S17 Timmy Harris - 226
^
Revs have jumped a bit the last two seasons. Perhaps in reaction to the powerback phenomenon.

Some other obscure records....

Broken Tackles
S17 Hammered - 1383
S16 Hammered - 1257
S16 C'MON MAN - 1165
S17 Mark Hickey - 982
S17 Man Bear Pig - 818
S17 Jeremy Bell - 816
S16 Mark Hickey - 751
S17 Fred Fu Manchu - 733
S16 Nick Kane - 704
S14 C'MON MAN - 679


Tackles for Loss
S17 Cooper "The Regulator" Goobgob - 87
S16 Kelton Richards - 68
S15 Kelton Richards - 65
S14 Tecmo Lawrence Taylor - 64
S14 Blanketing Spam - 63
S16 Jamie Collins - 62
S15 Activated Player - 62
S14 Walt Ulrich - 61
S17 Plutonium-240(Pu) - 60
S16 Antonio Pierce - 60

Looks like I'm the broked tackle King...

Tell you something you didn't know, right?