Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Ryiotgear
Edit - and sucks for all the teams that are resetting next season for archtype players
Originally posted by AirMcMVP
The new rules don't go into effect until Season 15...don't think it will affect teams dropping down to take advantage of archetypes.

False, read again. The only thing that is effective starting season 15 is deterioration, everything else is effective immediately.

People need to accept that, much like archetypes, even if this causes a temporary imbalance it will be for the better in the long term, and trying to work backwards and retroactively apply the change would be nightmarishly impossible and cause far more damage than it would fix.

Suck it up and take on for the team, good medicine is supposed to be bitter, etc.

Originally posted by Ubasstards
Originally posted by bhall43

Originally posted by gbnk82


Dont get me wrong i love the idea of this change but i hate the fact that this will actually help the guys who already got away with it setting them even further ahead

maybe for the next couple seasons...but beyond that its not a problem..

plus with the equipment fix....................who cares anyway, right?

dumbing down the game to the lowest common denominator won't keep many people

Originally posted by bhall43
Originally posted by gbnk82

Dont get me wrong i love the idea of this change but i hate the fact that this will actually help the guys who already got away with it setting them even further ahead

maybe for the next couple seasons...but beyond that its not a problem..

Not really most of those guys are high spendign flex buyers meaning sesonal player creation by them equalling staying on top yes eventually ths would fix it all but that is quite a ways in the future for the next year or so those teams will be far better

Originally posted by SCACE
The irony in this Bort is that you realize there is a problem, you guys have come up with a way to deal with it, but you refuse to apply to everyone equally.

When you make a major change like this, go full bore. If you want teams at every level to be on an even playing field to start under the new rules, reset all cash and stadiums to the presets listed earlier and let everyone compete on that playing field.

Only doing so for future demotions still leaves countless teams with maxed stadiums and massive war chests in the lower levels and sadly those teams will maintain that advantage while others (under the new rules) aren't able to exploit the system like they did.

I'm not at all saying don't implement the rule -- I think its way past due -- but it unfortunately doesn't cover everyone and that is a problem.

I understand, and it's sucky, but I feel like I can't in good conscience start resetting everyone's teams based on a brand new rule. We debated on adding the rule, hemmed and hawed, and that's our fault, not the owners'.

Some people are already annoyed by the new rule, even with warning. Retroactively enforcing it is not something they're going to stand for IMO.

Over time, those teams will weed out as they demote again or promote back to the higher ranks where it doesn't matter as much.

Originally posted by Ubasstards
plus with the equipment fix....................who cares anyway, right?

supposedly team cash will buy things for the team that, i would presume, help on the dot field? As long as cash still has a benefit, its more than a 2-season problem...people are naive to think otherwise.

Originally posted by Maddoc
People need to accept that, much like archetypes, even if this causes a temporary imbalance it will be for the better in the long term, and trying to work backwards and retroactively apply the change would be nightmarishly impossible and cause far more damage than it would fix.

Suck it up and take on for the team, good medicine is supposed to be bitter, etc.

Hopefully they're listening to you, and not a few of these others.

Originally posted by Maddoc
People need to accept that, much like archetypes, even if this causes a temporary imbalance it will be for the better in the long term, and trying to work backwards and retroactively apply the change would be nightmarishly impossible and cause far more damage than it would fix.

Suck it up and take on for the team, good medicine is supposed to be bitter, etc.

Truth.

Originally posted by Bort
If they are giving up and starting over, yes.

You don't get free SP for making a new player just because your old player retired. You start with 15 like everyone else.

Who said anything about giving up and starting over? I've been an owner since season 8, have fielded playoff teams every season, pay for all equipment for all my players. With the increase of people going to be retiring after this season I will be choosing to demote down and already have a bunch of the same agents on my team currently who will be making players for my team. So why am I to be punished since I have a full stadium and have to start over? Spending real $$ every season to keep a team that is what should allow a team owner an advantage. What makes me want to buy FP and extend my ownership now if I have to start all over from what I started in season 8?

at some point these guys who recently gamed the system are going to hit guys who have full stadiums anyways...it will work itself out...if a noob owner could live through this shit for the last 6 or 7 seasons...im sure you guys can deal with it for 2 seasons...

Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by SCACE

The irony in this Bort is that you realize there is a problem, you guys have come up with a way to deal with it, but you refuse to apply to everyone equally.

When you make a major change like this, go full bore. If you want teams at every level to be on an even playing field to start under the new rules, reset all cash and stadiums to the presets listed earlier and let everyone compete on that playing field.

Only doing so for future demotions still leaves countless teams with maxed stadiums and massive war chests in the lower levels and sadly those teams will maintain that advantage while others (under the new rules) aren't able to exploit the system like they did.

I'm not at all saying don't implement the rule -- I think its way past due -- but it unfortunately doesn't cover everyone and that is a problem.

I understand, and it's sucky, but I feel like I can't in good conscience start resetting everyone's teams based on a brand new rule. We debated on adding the rule, hemmed and hawed, and that's our fault, not the owners'.

Some people are already annoyed by the new rule, even with warning. Retroactively enforcing it is not something they're going to stand for IMO.

Over time, those teams will weed out as they demote again or promote back to the higher ranks where it doesn't matter as much.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by SCACE

The irony in this Bort is that you realize there is a problem, you guys have come up with a way to deal with it, but you refuse to apply to everyone equally.

When you make a major change like this, go full bore. If you want teams at every level to be on an even playing field to start under the new rules, reset all cash and stadiums to the presets listed earlier and let everyone compete on that playing field.

Only doing so for future demotions still leaves countless teams with maxed stadiums and massive war chests in the lower levels and sadly those teams will maintain that advantage while others (under the new rules) aren't able to exploit the system like they did.

I'm not at all saying don't implement the rule -- I think its way past due -- but it unfortunately doesn't cover everyone and that is a problem.

I understand, and it's sucky, but I feel like I can't in good conscience start resetting everyone's teams based on a brand new rule. We debated on adding the rule, hemmed and hawed, and that's our fault, not the owners'.

Some people are already annoyed by the new rule, even with warning. Retroactively enforcing it is not something they're going to stand for IMO.

Over time, those teams will weed out as they demote again or promote back to the higher ranks where it doesn't matter as much.

a warning after the deadline to put your team where you wanted without trashing your stadium or money is not a warning, it is a notification

Originally posted by Bort
If they are giving up and starting over, yes.

You don't get free SP for making a new player just because your old player retired. You start with 15 like everyone else.

Starting over? Hardly.

I have two teams full of players who are being grown to become a great team. I have built a stadium and saved every penny to set that team on a good path.

Now all that planning and work and flex are USELESS.

Just to placate noobs? Let them out in all the work to get where I am. We've already run the marathon and you're putting them on the last 20 yards and are saying GO. Should there not be some payoff for all our hard work?

This policy states flat out the answer is NO.

And to not apply it to everyone is just plain wrong.

Originally posted by SCACE
Originally posted by Ubasstards

plus with the equipment fix....................who cares anyway, right?

supposedly team cash will buy things for the team that, i would presume, help on the dot field? As long as cash still has a benefit, its more than a 2-season problem...people are naive to think otherwise.

the team will have a prettier stadium and a slight morale boost. Negligible IMO

Originally posted by gbnk82
Not really most of those guys are high spendign flex buyers meaning sesonal player creation by them equalling staying on top yes eventually ths would fix it all but that is quite a ways in the future for the next year or so those teams will be far better

what are you talking about? these people will run into other teams with a full stadium in a couple of seasons. thus it doesnt even matter.