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It seems to be a pretty standard play now that the RG either picks up the blitz up the middle or jumps over to take the RDE. RG just drops back a step at the play start and picks up whoever is the main threat on the play, and it works out fine. Issue is you need a well built mobile RG to pull off the plays and a lot of the G out there just aren't up to it.

Few examples of the play in action (not the best examples i've seen but not got time to go through every game i've watched looking for better examples);


RG picks up the LB blitz
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=89635&pbp_id=3228422
RG jumps across, clips the RDE and stops the outside LB blitz
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=89635&pbp_id=3234101
RG picks up the RDE
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=89614&pbp_id=3738877
RG jumps over to pick the ROLB blitz
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=89614&pbp_id=3740818


Every case the G drops the step, then locks onto whoever is threatening the QB, occassionally he'll also pick up the LDE on the play if the ROT is buckling but if you watch any team you'll likely see some form of the play trying to be done.

Originally posted by TtD
It seems to be a pretty standard play now that the RG either picks up the blitz up the middle or jumps over to take the RDE. RG just drops back a step at the play start and picks up whoever is the main threat on the play, and it works out fine. Issue is you need a well built mobile RG to pull off the plays and a lot of the G out there just aren't up to it.

Few examples of the play in action (not the best examples i've seen but not got time to go through every game i've watched looking for better examples);


RG picks up the LB blitz
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=89635&pbp_id=3228422
RG jumps across, clips the RDE and stops the outside LB blitz
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=89635&pbp_id=3234101
RG picks up the RDE
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=89614&pbp_id=3738877
RG jumps over to pick the ROLB blitz
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=89614&pbp_id=3740818


Every case the G drops the step, then locks onto whoever is threatening the QB, occassionally he'll also pick up the LDE on the play if the ROT is buckling but if you watch any team you'll likely see some form of the play trying to be done.

It does seem to be a "feature", all right.

A really dumb feature.

Not really, it's arguably not good play structure, as IRL you'd slide over, the C would take the DT, RG the NT, LG the blitzing LB and the LOT take the DE, but it's hardly a game breaking fault, it takes 5-10 SP in one stat from a useful guard build to be able to pick it up and shut down the play, and is a far lot easier to code i'm guessing than switching the assignments for the one play.

Originally posted by TtD
Not really, it's arguably not good play structure, as IRL you'd slide over, the C would take the DT, RG the NT, LG the blitzing LB and the LOT take the DE, but it's hardly a game breaking fault, it takes 5-10 SP in one stat from a useful guard build to be able to pick it up and shut down the play, and is a far lot easier to code i'm guessing than switching the assignments for the one play.

Why not have the LG responsible for breakdowns on one side and the RG responsible for breakdowns on the other side?

Is more that the LG had responsibility for the DT, the RG is essentially the free player in the O-line, whether it be helping the C, helping the ROT, dropping over to help the LOT or jumping through the gap and nailing the MLB. RG is generally a weaker guard, and you can get away with having him built close to an OT if your a pass heavy team. Is only on the run game where he has pulling duty or has to double team the NT to force the gap that he needs the strength.

Originally posted by TtD
Is more that the LG had responsibility for the DT, the RG is essentially the free player in the O-line, whether it be helping the C, helping the ROT, dropping over to help the LOT or jumping through the gap and nailing the MLB. RG is generally a weaker guard, and you can get away with having him built close to an OT if your a pass heavy team. Is only on the run game where he has pulling duty or has to double team the NT to force the gap that he needs the strength.

That could be the case. I'd argue that the C should be the free player if that's the case. RG is generally more agile, but the extra distance to cover is nasty.

Originally posted by powerslacker
Originally posted by TtD

Is more that the LG had responsibility for the DT, the RG is essentially the free player in the O-line, whether it be helping the C, helping the ROT, dropping over to help the LOT or jumping through the gap and nailing the MLB. RG is generally a weaker guard, and you can get away with having him built close to an OT if your a pass heavy team. Is only on the run game where he has pulling duty or has to double team the NT to force the gap that he needs the strength.

That could be the case. I'd argue that the C should be the free player if that's the case. RG is generally more agile, but the extra distance to cover is nasty.

I don't know with agility and speed you can do it.

If the LOT passing up the RDE because of a bug, boosting the RG's speed/agil maybe the only way to solve my problem.

Originally posted by majech
If the LOT passing up the RDE because of a bug, boosting the RG's speed/agil maybe the only way to solve my problem.

Its the effect of the blitzer overwhelmign the LOT and/or DE's SA's kicking in I believe. LOT didn't pass him up, he got burnt. The RG was coming over to assist because the LB was blitzing and the LOT suddenly had to hold off two defenders. If you look you will see that he makes brief contact and then the DE "slingshots" past him.

It also looks to me like the RDE goes around the LOT. He fakes an inside move, goes outside, and once he has been beat, the LOT goes to block the LB. My answer would be agility and speed. Protect at 20 isn't enough if the base stats aren't there.

Originally posted by Darren McFadden
It also looks to me like the RDE goes around the LOT. He fakes an inside move, goes outside, and once he has been beat, the LOT goes to block the LB. My answer would be agility and speed. Protect at 20 isn't enough if the base stats aren't there.

If it's not a bug, it must be the Tunnel Vision SA.

Would be nice for the LG or HB to help counter that rather than having the RG counter it.

My LOT has given up the first 2 sacks of his career on that play this season. I blame the HB, he seems to get in the way trying to pick up the blitz.

Originally posted by Baustin
My LOT has given up the first 2 sacks of his career on that play this season. I blame the HB, he seems to get in the way trying to pick up the blitz.

My LOT allowed a hurry today on a play which looks like HB was in the way. He should have made a better block none the less.

Originally posted by TtD
It seems to be a pretty standard play now that the RG either picks up the blitz up the middle or jumps over to take the RDE. RG just drops back a step at the play start and picks up whoever is the main threat on the play, and it works out fine. Issue is you need a well built mobile RG to pull off the plays and a lot of the G out there just aren't up to it.

Few examples of the play in action (not the best examples i've seen but not got time to go through every game i've watched looking for better examples);


RG picks up the LB blitz
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=89635&pbp_id=3228422
RG jumps across, clips the RDE and stops the outside LB blitz
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=89635&pbp_id=3234101
RG picks up the RDE
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=89614&pbp_id=3738877
RG jumps over to pick the ROLB blitz
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=89614&pbp_id=3740818


Every case the G drops the step, then locks onto whoever is threatening the QB, occassionally he'll also pick up the LDE on the play if the ROT is buckling but if you watch any team you'll likely see some form of the play trying to be done.

Good analysis. I have seen it a fair amount this season as well.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=112248&pbp_id=2990033

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Yep, I've seen RG's do that quite a bit as well. I don't recall seeing that in S3. Care to share what the agil/vis/speed of that RG is? He did a nice job of picking that up.