The Elves have a way of bringing that out of everyone. Nah, just jokin. They're pretty cordial....except for that cocky excuse for a QB, Serenity.
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Originally posted by Gator93
Oh, Buffalo gutted that team?
the former owner of that team gutted that team.
Oh, Buffalo gutted that team?
the former owner of that team gutted that team.
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This entire conversation took place before the trade had even been processed. His demands for a release had absolutely no way of being granted. Also, I mention the 6 days thing a lot...I was wrong, and I've since realized that, but I thought I had remembered something bort said about no player movement for 6 days after he joins your team. Oops.
Originally posted by Rabeezz
How did you get Walker, I don't want to play on your team. Please release me at once
Originally posted by ICRockets
I believe you have a PM explaining what happened. If not, let me know and I'll send one to inform you of the situation.
Originally posted by Rabeezz
I don't want to play on your team.
Originally posted by ICRockets
That's not up to me.
How much of the situation are you aware of? Did you receive our PM letting you know what happened?
Originally posted by Rabeezz
ok if this was your player this happen to you would be p'ed off. I signed with the Shooters not you. please release me because if this team was gutted you are a part in helping it. I don't want to be on your team. I will PM Bort and get my player off your team.
Originally posted by ICRockets
I never said I wouldn't be pissed. I understand where you're coming from. I just want to make sure you're aware of the situation you've been unfortunately thrown into before we move forward.
As for being a part in helping it, that's actually not how it went down. The initial round of gutting took place, and the owner of the Shooters was extraordinarily pissed. Rodion, or whatever his name is, did the gutting behind his back. At that point I and a handful of others were reading the thread in trading block where this all went down. The owner PMd support to demand the gut reversed, but was informed that that can't happen. At that point he said that the rest of the players on the Shooters "can rot, I don't give a shit about anybody but myself and you can quote me on that". We eventually convinced him this was not in the players' best interests, and he came around and accepted trade offers to get the remaining guys- yourself included- on competitive teams where you could hopefully help lead teams to championships.
That's how you got here.
Originally posted by Rabeezz
I choose the Shooters not you! bottom line! Please respect my wishes and remove walker from your team A.S.A.P. Being a team owner myself I would understand the situation and if the player does not want to play on my team I would respect that and let him go his way.
Originally posted by ICRockets
I'm not a team owner, so it's not my decision to make.
However, if I were the team owner, my response would be that as per the laws of GLB we cannot trade or release you for 6 days. Furthermore, we cannot trade you back to the Shooters for 12 days. I would assume this is a more than viable option for us if by that time you still don't want to be here, but until then our hands really are tied.
I'm very sorry, I genuinely am. But I hope that as a team owner you understand that we made a move in an attempt to improve our team and in no way did we want to cause turmoil like this. I also hope you understand that we are bound by the restrictions put into place by Bort and his mods/admins.
Originally posted by Rabeezz
I understand doing whats best for your team, But you helped gut a team! I don't want to play for a team that involved in that. Sorry to be a Dickhead, but if I am not released I will make my player useless.
Originally posted by ICRockets
We did not help gut a team. The gut had already happened and we did our best to help the players left behind find good teams. We strongly believe the Rangers fall into that category.
If taking players that used to be on a gutted team is, in itself, considered being complicit in the gutting event, then there would be a lot of players who no team in GLB could ever touch without breaking some ethical code. Does that make sense?
Originally posted by Rabeezz
ok I will train on Intense, I removed all my Equipment and I set my Tatics the way you would not want a SS to set them. I refuse to play for you even if I have to sacifice his stats for a season! I want off the team.
Originally posted by ICRockets
In what way have we been unreasonable with you that has resulted in you feeling you must be unreasonable with us?
Originally posted by Rabeezz
Just release me and let me go my own way. I do not want to play for you.
Originally posted by ICRockets
I have already explained that we are unable to move you off our team for 6 days. That's not an arbitrary number, that's the simple fact of the situation.
Seeing as you are an owner, and have your own team, I personally see no reason why we can't work out a trade to your team so you can trade him back to the Shooters if you so wish. However, as we must do what is best for our team, you hopefully understand that releasing you outright is not a viable option. We paid money for you, and would need to get equal value in return.
If you'd see things from our angle, as we are able to from yours, I'm confident that you'll come to agree that we're not being the least bit unreasonable here.
Originally posted by Rabeezz
If you paid money I feel sorry for you because you will not get what you paid for!
this player will be useless and I will fill you forum every day with, you don't want to know. I will send a Pm to Bort and the MOD to report that I feel you helped gut the Shooter. release Walker and your problem is gone.
Originally posted by ICRockets
We cannot release Walker, and we are more than capable of revoking your forum access if need be. I believe I can more than adequately explain the situation to Bort if you feel that is the most appropriate course of action.
Keep in mind, the rest of the players on the Shooters asked for the original gutting to take place. We had no part in that. All we did was find those of you who would have been left on a half-empty team of CPU players an alternative team to play on. I'm sorry you don't want to be here. It's unfortunate. But we will move ahead without you if we must...
...AFTER the 6 days of restricted movement. Your cooperation during that time is likely to dictate what happens after.
Originally posted by Rabeezz
You can't keep off every forum. There is a bigger world outside your team. I will get the word out. I will not cooperate because I did not ask to be gutted to your team.
Originally posted by ICRockets
You were not gutted to our team. Dodge traded you after the original gutting by Rodion and rwblake took place. Yours was a move to get you off an already gutted team and into a situation where you could shine. I'm sorry you're unhappy with it. In 6 days we can re-evaluate the situation and if you still don't want to be here we'll work something out.
Originally posted by Rabeezz
I will take this off the billboard and pm you. I will respect your team because I would not like this if this was on my forum. I am just pissed off I took a big loss trading Walker to the shooters and now I am on you team 4 days later. look for a PM
Originally posted by meathead013
- my understanding is that the new trade rules and their restrictions were put in place to stop the gutting that was occurring frequently in GLB. where teams could formerly move many players between two teams with no restrictions, there is now a limit of one trade between two teams every 20 days and a max of three players per side per trade
- thus as long as player moves are processed via the trading system there is nothing unethical or unsportsmanlike about receiving players via cash trades. once those transactions are complete the league will not intervene on those trades because they are considered to have taken place within the rules of the game. they set it up this way intentionally to limit the potential for abuse and to put responsibility for gutting onto the team originally owning the players. that way they dont have to run around policing every situation and cleaning up the messes created by mass moves of players between very few teams, which would obviously be collusion
- whether trades of this type happened during the process of gutting is irrelevant for the team acquiring the player(s). again, since the moves were conducted via the trading system and subject to restrictions therein, it is no longer the responsibility of the receiving team to police other teams management decisions
- of course those management decisions could result in taking a team away from an owner. that appears to be the case with the Shooters as it now is virtually filled with CPU players. for all intents and purposes, the Shooters you knew are gone. there is nobody to blame for that but whomever was running the Shooters
- trades are part of the game. if you dont want to be traded then you should negotiate a no-trade clause into your contract. or perhaps you should choose to place players on teams where you have good reason to trust the management. either way it is not the responsibility of the Rangers to determine if proper decisions are being made by another team in their trading practices
- once you are traded, even if it is against your will, it is extremely unsportsmanlike to immediately adopt an intransigent and unreasonable position to try to force your release. the Rangers entered the trade in good faith and abided by the rules of the site in doing so. if the Rangers, or any team, were to immediately cave to such a threat tactic by an agent it would set a bad precedent that the team can be effectively bullied in the future. i know that we, myself included, bend over backwards to try to accomodate the reasonable requests of any player on our teams. my recommendation would be to resist unreasonable player demands until they decide to work with us in a gentlemanly fashion
- whether you realize it yet or not, the Rangers are an extremely reasonable and in fact attractive team to belong to. chances are good that an agent would be pleased to have a player on this team. but if you dont like it here then legitimate efforts will be made to move you, including to a team of your choice to the best extent we can accommodate that. that is, assuming a reasonable and cooperative tone adopted by the player agent
And yet, even after meathead explains our views on the situation MORE than succinctly, Rabeezz still decides to act out and post on other forums. Beautiful.
Originally posted by Rabeezz
How did you get Walker, I don't want to play on your team. Please release me at once
Originally posted by ICRockets
I believe you have a PM explaining what happened. If not, let me know and I'll send one to inform you of the situation.
Originally posted by Rabeezz
I don't want to play on your team.
Originally posted by ICRockets
That's not up to me.
How much of the situation are you aware of? Did you receive our PM letting you know what happened?
Originally posted by Rabeezz
ok if this was your player this happen to you would be p'ed off. I signed with the Shooters not you. please release me because if this team was gutted you are a part in helping it. I don't want to be on your team. I will PM Bort and get my player off your team.
Originally posted by ICRockets
I never said I wouldn't be pissed. I understand where you're coming from. I just want to make sure you're aware of the situation you've been unfortunately thrown into before we move forward.
As for being a part in helping it, that's actually not how it went down. The initial round of gutting took place, and the owner of the Shooters was extraordinarily pissed. Rodion, or whatever his name is, did the gutting behind his back. At that point I and a handful of others were reading the thread in trading block where this all went down. The owner PMd support to demand the gut reversed, but was informed that that can't happen. At that point he said that the rest of the players on the Shooters "can rot, I don't give a shit about anybody but myself and you can quote me on that". We eventually convinced him this was not in the players' best interests, and he came around and accepted trade offers to get the remaining guys- yourself included- on competitive teams where you could hopefully help lead teams to championships.
That's how you got here.
Originally posted by Rabeezz
I choose the Shooters not you! bottom line! Please respect my wishes and remove walker from your team A.S.A.P. Being a team owner myself I would understand the situation and if the player does not want to play on my team I would respect that and let him go his way.
Originally posted by ICRockets
I'm not a team owner, so it's not my decision to make.
However, if I were the team owner, my response would be that as per the laws of GLB we cannot trade or release you for 6 days. Furthermore, we cannot trade you back to the Shooters for 12 days. I would assume this is a more than viable option for us if by that time you still don't want to be here, but until then our hands really are tied.
I'm very sorry, I genuinely am. But I hope that as a team owner you understand that we made a move in an attempt to improve our team and in no way did we want to cause turmoil like this. I also hope you understand that we are bound by the restrictions put into place by Bort and his mods/admins.
Originally posted by Rabeezz
I understand doing whats best for your team, But you helped gut a team! I don't want to play for a team that involved in that. Sorry to be a Dickhead, but if I am not released I will make my player useless.
Originally posted by ICRockets
We did not help gut a team. The gut had already happened and we did our best to help the players left behind find good teams. We strongly believe the Rangers fall into that category.
If taking players that used to be on a gutted team is, in itself, considered being complicit in the gutting event, then there would be a lot of players who no team in GLB could ever touch without breaking some ethical code. Does that make sense?
Originally posted by Rabeezz
ok I will train on Intense, I removed all my Equipment and I set my Tatics the way you would not want a SS to set them. I refuse to play for you even if I have to sacifice his stats for a season! I want off the team.
Originally posted by ICRockets
In what way have we been unreasonable with you that has resulted in you feeling you must be unreasonable with us?
Originally posted by Rabeezz
Just release me and let me go my own way. I do not want to play for you.
Originally posted by ICRockets
I have already explained that we are unable to move you off our team for 6 days. That's not an arbitrary number, that's the simple fact of the situation.
Seeing as you are an owner, and have your own team, I personally see no reason why we can't work out a trade to your team so you can trade him back to the Shooters if you so wish. However, as we must do what is best for our team, you hopefully understand that releasing you outright is not a viable option. We paid money for you, and would need to get equal value in return.
If you'd see things from our angle, as we are able to from yours, I'm confident that you'll come to agree that we're not being the least bit unreasonable here.
Originally posted by Rabeezz
If you paid money I feel sorry for you because you will not get what you paid for!
this player will be useless and I will fill you forum every day with, you don't want to know. I will send a Pm to Bort and the MOD to report that I feel you helped gut the Shooter. release Walker and your problem is gone.
Originally posted by ICRockets
We cannot release Walker, and we are more than capable of revoking your forum access if need be. I believe I can more than adequately explain the situation to Bort if you feel that is the most appropriate course of action.
Keep in mind, the rest of the players on the Shooters asked for the original gutting to take place. We had no part in that. All we did was find those of you who would have been left on a half-empty team of CPU players an alternative team to play on. I'm sorry you don't want to be here. It's unfortunate. But we will move ahead without you if we must...
...AFTER the 6 days of restricted movement. Your cooperation during that time is likely to dictate what happens after.
Originally posted by Rabeezz
You can't keep off every forum. There is a bigger world outside your team. I will get the word out. I will not cooperate because I did not ask to be gutted to your team.
Originally posted by ICRockets
You were not gutted to our team. Dodge traded you after the original gutting by Rodion and rwblake took place. Yours was a move to get you off an already gutted team and into a situation where you could shine. I'm sorry you're unhappy with it. In 6 days we can re-evaluate the situation and if you still don't want to be here we'll work something out.
Originally posted by Rabeezz
I will take this off the billboard and pm you. I will respect your team because I would not like this if this was on my forum. I am just pissed off I took a big loss trading Walker to the shooters and now I am on you team 4 days later. look for a PM
Originally posted by meathead013
- my understanding is that the new trade rules and their restrictions were put in place to stop the gutting that was occurring frequently in GLB. where teams could formerly move many players between two teams with no restrictions, there is now a limit of one trade between two teams every 20 days and a max of three players per side per trade
- thus as long as player moves are processed via the trading system there is nothing unethical or unsportsmanlike about receiving players via cash trades. once those transactions are complete the league will not intervene on those trades because they are considered to have taken place within the rules of the game. they set it up this way intentionally to limit the potential for abuse and to put responsibility for gutting onto the team originally owning the players. that way they dont have to run around policing every situation and cleaning up the messes created by mass moves of players between very few teams, which would obviously be collusion
- whether trades of this type happened during the process of gutting is irrelevant for the team acquiring the player(s). again, since the moves were conducted via the trading system and subject to restrictions therein, it is no longer the responsibility of the receiving team to police other teams management decisions
- of course those management decisions could result in taking a team away from an owner. that appears to be the case with the Shooters as it now is virtually filled with CPU players. for all intents and purposes, the Shooters you knew are gone. there is nobody to blame for that but whomever was running the Shooters
- trades are part of the game. if you dont want to be traded then you should negotiate a no-trade clause into your contract. or perhaps you should choose to place players on teams where you have good reason to trust the management. either way it is not the responsibility of the Rangers to determine if proper decisions are being made by another team in their trading practices
- once you are traded, even if it is against your will, it is extremely unsportsmanlike to immediately adopt an intransigent and unreasonable position to try to force your release. the Rangers entered the trade in good faith and abided by the rules of the site in doing so. if the Rangers, or any team, were to immediately cave to such a threat tactic by an agent it would set a bad precedent that the team can be effectively bullied in the future. i know that we, myself included, bend over backwards to try to accomodate the reasonable requests of any player on our teams. my recommendation would be to resist unreasonable player demands until they decide to work with us in a gentlemanly fashion
- whether you realize it yet or not, the Rangers are an extremely reasonable and in fact attractive team to belong to. chances are good that an agent would be pleased to have a player on this team. but if you dont like it here then legitimate efforts will be made to move you, including to a team of your choice to the best extent we can accommodate that. that is, assuming a reasonable and cooperative tone adopted by the player agent
And yet, even after meathead explains our views on the situation MORE than succinctly, Rabeezz still decides to act out and post on other forums. Beautiful.
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all right. i think thats enough defending ourselves from this kind of 'when did you stop beating your wife' accusation
sadly, im afraid what i have to report is simply a matter of a problem child. in attempting to trade this discontented individual to the teams they requested we found that nobody wanted this player on their team. we were advised to rid ourselves of this individual as they had been 'trouble' in the past
mr or ms rabeezz, you should consider dipping that stinger of yours in some honey as you have left a trail of destruction in your wake. you are going to find life quite difficult if you carry this approach with you in all your dealings
we are no longer interested in having you remain a Ranger. we are seeking to deal you to another team and will keep you informed of our progress
i apologize having this spill over into the league forum. however, i believe we all learned something, even if only not to believe the rants of some unknown malcontent who shows up claiming to have evidence of us abusing our spouse
sadly, im afraid what i have to report is simply a matter of a problem child. in attempting to trade this discontented individual to the teams they requested we found that nobody wanted this player on their team. we were advised to rid ourselves of this individual as they had been 'trouble' in the past
mr or ms rabeezz, you should consider dipping that stinger of yours in some honey as you have left a trail of destruction in your wake. you are going to find life quite difficult if you carry this approach with you in all your dealings
we are no longer interested in having you remain a Ranger. we are seeking to deal you to another team and will keep you informed of our progress
i apologize having this spill over into the league forum. however, i believe we all learned something, even if only not to believe the rants of some unknown malcontent who shows up claiming to have evidence of us abusing our spouse
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I would just have him rot on the bench if he took his equipment and messed with his training.
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Originally posted by Rabeezz
They helped gut a team that I was on and they expect me to be happy to play on their team. Don't trust them...If they contact you with an offer...Just run.
FAIL!
They helped gut a team that I was on and they expect me to be happy to play on their team. Don't trust them...If they contact you with an offer...Just run.
FAIL!
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Originally posted by Rabeezz
They helped gut a team that I was on and they expect me to be happy to play on their team. Don't trust them...If they contact you with an offer...Just run.
didnt work out like you thought it would, eh Rabeez?
the 500k still stands.
They helped gut a team that I was on and they expect me to be happy to play on their team. Don't trust them...If they contact you with an offer...Just run.
didnt work out like you thought it would, eh Rabeez?
the 500k still stands.
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Originally posted by kmart
If he was that unreasonable and on my team, I'd bench him for the year.
This.
Or trade him somewhere else to get your money back. There is no way I am granting anyone over level 18 a release when they are under contract. There is far too much value in them. I have had several quality players with good attitudes ask to be released because they wanted to join a friends team. I have told each of them "no" but always offered to trade them to their friends team for less than market value once I was able to find a replacement for them.
I have had a few PM's with members of Buffalo and seen the way they handle themselves on this forum and I firmly believe them to be a class act. For them to get attacked by someone looking for an easy way out is ridiculous.
If he was that unreasonable and on my team, I'd bench him for the year.
This.
Or trade him somewhere else to get your money back. There is no way I am granting anyone over level 18 a release when they are under contract. There is far too much value in them. I have had several quality players with good attitudes ask to be released because they wanted to join a friends team. I have told each of them "no" but always offered to trade them to their friends team for less than market value once I was able to find a replacement for them.
I have had a few PM's with members of Buffalo and seen the way they handle themselves on this forum and I firmly believe them to be a class act. For them to get attacked by someone looking for an easy way out is ridiculous.
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Rabeezz: I have carefully reviewed this thread (including the very long section of quotations and have reached the inescapable conclusion that you are an ignorant douchebag. The Rangers, if anything, traded for you in order to help you get on a good team. The Shooters are in the shitter, and Buffalo had nothing to do with that. I doubt if they even knew any of the people involved when it happened, and only found out about it on the trading block.
Your response to this situation reeks of ingratitude and immaturity. A normal person would simply wait it out, see how the Rangers run as a team, and then go from there. For all you know the Rangers provide a far better environment for your player than the Shooters ever did - and judging by Buffalo's track record this is more than likely. Yet you unequivocally refuse to participate in their team, and you ignore all of their attempts to reason with you and make you comfortable on their squad.
I too am on the 'take him off the depth chart and make him live out every day of his contract' bandwagon. At the end of the day, the rangers might lose a hundred grand or two, a pittance to a successful team in its 3rd season, while you will lose about 2 levels worth of experience points. Karma's a bitch, ain't it.
Your response to this situation reeks of ingratitude and immaturity. A normal person would simply wait it out, see how the Rangers run as a team, and then go from there. For all you know the Rangers provide a far better environment for your player than the Shooters ever did - and judging by Buffalo's track record this is more than likely. Yet you unequivocally refuse to participate in their team, and you ignore all of their attempts to reason with you and make you comfortable on their squad.
I too am on the 'take him off the depth chart and make him live out every day of his contract' bandwagon. At the end of the day, the rangers might lose a hundred grand or two, a pittance to a successful team in its 3rd season, while you will lose about 2 levels worth of experience points. Karma's a bitch, ain't it.
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Yeah, I'm in the A#2 League where the gutted team came from. I don't see anything wrong with what Buffalo did. The former GM's or Owner might be questionable. I've known the Rangers since we came up out of BBB#14 together and they are a Class organization in my opinion.
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I still don't get why people who don't want to be traded to another team don't have a 'no trade' put into their contracts. What's even more amazing is this rabbeez character is an owner, so I have to believe he is aware of that option.
Let him rot then.
I agree with CRich and really would like a moderator in our league again. We don't need teams dirty laundry aired here. This thread needs to be deleted since it seems like a 12 year old had his baby rattle taken from him.
Let him rot then.
I agree with CRich and really would like a moderator in our league again. We don't need teams dirty laundry aired here. This thread needs to be deleted since it seems like a 12 year old had his baby rattle taken from him.
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