Absolutely, if you feel you need to support your answers, go right ahead. Let's make this fun!
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Well now, since I got called out... 
Passing yards:
Melbourne-5114 (1st)
Brisbane-4530.5 (3rd)
Rushing yards:
Melbourne-3626.5 (3rd)
Brisbane-3128 (8th)
Passing defense:
Melbourne-160.2/game (4th)
Brisbane-182.9/game (13th)
Rushing defense:
Melbourne-13.0/game (2nd)
Brisbane-1.9/game (1st)
Melbourne has 3 of the 4 big statistical categories, and is just one step behind Brisbane for the last one. The one matchup that is really glaring to me is Melbourne's passing offense against Brisbane's passing defense. Melbourne's passing attack is the most potent in the league by a good 25 yards per game, and Brisbane's passing defense is a little more suspect that one might realize. I think Melbourne exploits this to their advantage, and emerges victorious from this hard-fought classic!
Rushing defense:
Passing yards:
Melbourne-5114 (1st)
Brisbane-4530.5 (3rd)
Rushing yards:
Melbourne-3626.5 (3rd)
Brisbane-3128 (8th)
Passing defense:
Melbourne-160.2/game (4th)
Brisbane-182.9/game (13th)
Rushing defense:
Melbourne-13.0/game (2nd)
Brisbane-1.9/game (1st)
Melbourne has 3 of the 4 big statistical categories, and is just one step behind Brisbane for the last one. The one matchup that is really glaring to me is Melbourne's passing offense against Brisbane's passing defense. Melbourne's passing attack is the most potent in the league by a good 25 yards per game, and Brisbane's passing defense is a little more suspect that one might realize. I think Melbourne exploits this to their advantage, and emerges victorious from this hard-fought classic!
Rushing defense:
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Originally posted by The Abyss
Originally posted by SCACE
thanks, good luck to you guys as well - gotta run now, but I'll be back later on tonight.
See you soon in AAA
Yes yes..looking forward to it
You guys have a solid crew up there...the whole division is tough esp. with Mean Machine sticking around for another year (thankfully they are Alpha...good luck with that Blaze). But so many good teams, we'll just be trying to learn our way in the league next year and trying to find ways to win some games
Originally posted by SCACE
thanks, good luck to you guys as well - gotta run now, but I'll be back later on tonight.
See you soon in AAA
Yes yes..looking forward to it
You guys have a solid crew up there...the whole division is tough esp. with Mean Machine sticking around for another year (thankfully they are Alpha...good luck with that Blaze). But so many good teams, we'll just be trying to learn our way in the league next year and trying to find ways to win some games kingsolo
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Okay, I see where you are coming from. I respect your opinion thank you for sharing with the class!
It's a lot closer game than that statistically though, and I'll explain after the season is over, to prevent myself from posting any data that will be biased.
It's a lot closer game than that statistically though, and I'll explain after the season is over, to prevent myself from posting any data that will be biased.
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Originally posted by kingsolo
Okay, I see where you are coming from. I respect your opinion thank you for sharing with the class!
It's a lot closer game than that statistically though, and I'll explain after the season is over, to prevent myself from posting any data that will be biased.
Sure thing, my man.
I'm very interested to see how this game comes out, regardless of statistics
Okay, I see where you are coming from. I respect your opinion thank you for sharing with the class!
It's a lot closer game than that statistically though, and I'll explain after the season is over, to prevent myself from posting any data that will be biased.
Sure thing, my man.
I'm very interested to see how this game comes out, regardless of statistics
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From the way I understand, both get promoted & two bottoms from AAA will get relegated down to our league. In fact, the bottom 2 from each division get moved out of AAA... 1 Alpha & 1 Zeta for each AA#1 & AA#2.
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Originally posted by cdcollins
Well now, since I got called out...
Passing yards:
Melbourne-5114 (1st)
Brisbane-4530.5 (3rd)
Rushing yards:
Melbourne-3626.5 (3rd)
Brisbane-3128 (8th)
Passing defense:
Melbourne-160.2/game (4th)
Brisbane-182.9/game (13th)
Rushing defense:
Melbourne-13.0/game (2nd)
Brisbane-1.9/game (1st)
Melbourne has 3 of the 4 big statistical categories, and is just one step behind Brisbane for the last one. The one matchup that is really glaring to me is Melbourne's passing offense against Brisbane's passing defense. Melbourne's passing attack is the most potent in the league by a good 25 yards per game, and Brisbane's passing defense is a little more suspect that one might realize. I think Melbourne exploits this to their advantage, and emerges victorious from this hard-fought classic!
Rushing defense:
You believe regular season stats from the alpha and zeta conference make for accurate comparisons? All that does is mesh together all wins from all games in their particular conference. It doesn't take into account many key factors.
An easy example: Just because the Patriots had better stats in the AFC than the Giants in the NFC, in no way meant that the Giants were that much worse passing or running the ball than the Patriots. Both teams came from difference conferences and therefore have different overall statistics, even though their teams were obviously about the same strength.
If you guys think Zeta is so tough, look at what the Sea Dragons did to the "#2 team" in the league the last game of the regular season and compare with how MTD did against them...
Well now, since I got called out...
Passing yards:
Melbourne-5114 (1st)
Brisbane-4530.5 (3rd)
Rushing yards:
Melbourne-3626.5 (3rd)
Brisbane-3128 (8th)
Passing defense:
Melbourne-160.2/game (4th)
Brisbane-182.9/game (13th)
Rushing defense:
Melbourne-13.0/game (2nd)
Brisbane-1.9/game (1st)
Melbourne has 3 of the 4 big statistical categories, and is just one step behind Brisbane for the last one. The one matchup that is really glaring to me is Melbourne's passing offense against Brisbane's passing defense. Melbourne's passing attack is the most potent in the league by a good 25 yards per game, and Brisbane's passing defense is a little more suspect that one might realize. I think Melbourne exploits this to their advantage, and emerges victorious from this hard-fought classic!
Rushing defense:
You believe regular season stats from the alpha and zeta conference make for accurate comparisons? All that does is mesh together all wins from all games in their particular conference. It doesn't take into account many key factors.
An easy example: Just because the Patriots had better stats in the AFC than the Giants in the NFC, in no way meant that the Giants were that much worse passing or running the ball than the Patriots. Both teams came from difference conferences and therefore have different overall statistics, even though their teams were obviously about the same strength.
If you guys think Zeta is so tough, look at what the Sea Dragons did to the "#2 team" in the league the last game of the regular season and compare with how MTD did against them...
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Originally posted by megaman1337
Originally posted by cdcollins
Well now, since I got called out...
Passing yards:
Melbourne-5114 (1st)
Brisbane-4530.5 (3rd)
Rushing yards:
Melbourne-3626.5 (3rd)
Brisbane-3128 (8th)
Passing defense:
Melbourne-160.2/game (4th)
Brisbane-182.9/game (13th)
Rushing defense:
Melbourne-13.0/game (2nd)
Brisbane-1.9/game (1st)
Melbourne has 3 of the 4 big statistical categories, and is just one step behind Brisbane for the last one. The one matchup that is really glaring to me is Melbourne's passing offense against Brisbane's passing defense. Melbourne's passing attack is the most potent in the league by a good 25 yards per game, and Brisbane's passing defense is a little more suspect that one might realize. I think Melbourne exploits this to their advantage, and emerges victorious from this hard-fought classic!
Rushing defense:
You believe regular season stats from the alpha and zeta conference make for accurate comparisons? All that does is mesh together all wins from all games in their particular conference. It doesn't take into account many key factors.
An easy example: Just because the Patriots had better stats in the AFC than the Giants in the NFC, in no way meant that the Giants were that much worse passing or running the ball than the Patriots. Both teams came from difference conferences and therefore have different overall statistics, even though their teams were obviously about the same strength.
If you guys think Zeta is so tough, look at what the Sea Dragons did to the "#2 team" in the league the last game of the regular season and compare with how MTD did against them...
And look what the Zeta conference did to the Alpha conference as a whole in inter-conference play. Something like 11-5, am I right? Zeta's far better than you give them credit for.
Anyone can use statistics to justify nearly anything. Frankly, I think statistics have quite a bit of meaning, especially since every team has played the same number of teams, and the parity between the conferences *should* be fairly even, given that these teams came into existance at the same time. There are good teams and sub-par teams in both conferences, that's obvious. It can justify many key factors.
Obviously, Brisbane's incredibly stout against the run, but is a bit susceptible to the pass. Example: game against Ohio Valley. Melbourne, although good against the run, is a notch above everyone else in the league in passing offense. Example: 5100+ yards. This is obviously something Melbourne will try to exploit, and given that they've done it 19 times in a row, I don't think #20 will be any different. And it's not like the Giants/Patriots, where the Patriots walked on thin ice 5-6 times that season and just managed to win. Melbourne's only been in a fix twice, both against Bikini Atoll.
Well, that's a longer explanation than I'd planned to offer, but there you go. I still stick by my predictions, and of course, I have to support Zeta
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Originally posted by cdcollins
Well now, since I got called out...
Passing yards:
Melbourne-5114 (1st)
Brisbane-4530.5 (3rd)
Rushing yards:
Melbourne-3626.5 (3rd)
Brisbane-3128 (8th)
Passing defense:
Melbourne-160.2/game (4th)
Brisbane-182.9/game (13th)
Rushing defense:
Melbourne-13.0/game (2nd)
Brisbane-1.9/game (1st)
Melbourne has 3 of the 4 big statistical categories, and is just one step behind Brisbane for the last one. The one matchup that is really glaring to me is Melbourne's passing offense against Brisbane's passing defense. Melbourne's passing attack is the most potent in the league by a good 25 yards per game, and Brisbane's passing defense is a little more suspect that one might realize. I think Melbourne exploits this to their advantage, and emerges victorious from this hard-fought classic!
Rushing defense:
You believe regular season stats from the alpha and zeta conference make for accurate comparisons? All that does is mesh together all wins from all games in their particular conference. It doesn't take into account many key factors.
An easy example: Just because the Patriots had better stats in the AFC than the Giants in the NFC, in no way meant that the Giants were that much worse passing or running the ball than the Patriots. Both teams came from difference conferences and therefore have different overall statistics, even though their teams were obviously about the same strength.
If you guys think Zeta is so tough, look at what the Sea Dragons did to the "#2 team" in the league the last game of the regular season and compare with how MTD did against them...
And look what the Zeta conference did to the Alpha conference as a whole in inter-conference play. Something like 11-5, am I right? Zeta's far better than you give them credit for.
Anyone can use statistics to justify nearly anything. Frankly, I think statistics have quite a bit of meaning, especially since every team has played the same number of teams, and the parity between the conferences *should* be fairly even, given that these teams came into existance at the same time. There are good teams and sub-par teams in both conferences, that's obvious. It can justify many key factors.
Obviously, Brisbane's incredibly stout against the run, but is a bit susceptible to the pass. Example: game against Ohio Valley. Melbourne, although good against the run, is a notch above everyone else in the league in passing offense. Example: 5100+ yards. This is obviously something Melbourne will try to exploit, and given that they've done it 19 times in a row, I don't think #20 will be any different. And it's not like the Giants/Patriots, where the Patriots walked on thin ice 5-6 times that season and just managed to win. Melbourne's only been in a fix twice, both against Bikini Atoll.
Well, that's a longer explanation than I'd planned to offer, but there you go. I still stick by my predictions, and of course, I have to support Zeta
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That's what I am trying to say... if you look, MTD gained 2498.5 of those yards against the last 4 ranked teams in the ENTIRE league. Against the other teams in the league, they pulled in roughly 2600 yards... yes, impressive, but we were right on their heels there at 2219.5, and only 1 team in our league had 100+ points hung on them in only 1 game when it was still all CPU players. Not makeing excuses for that, but it is what it is. If youwere to go back through, I'm sure you'd see, that when you compare the apples to apples, and the oranges to oranges, you'd see there is not as much seperation between these 2 teams as you may think there is.
I guess we will all find out in just over 24 hours!
I guess we will all find out in just over 24 hours!
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Originally posted by kingsolo
That's what I am trying to say... if you look, MTD gained 2498.5 of those yards against the last 4 ranked teams in the ENTIRE league. Against the other teams in the league, they pulled in roughly 2600 yards... yes, impressive, but we were right on their heels there at 2219.5, and only 1 team in our league had 100+ points hung on them in only 1 game when it was still all CPU players. Not makeing excuses for that, but it is what it is. If youwere to go back through, I'm sure you'd see, that when you compare the apples to apples, and the oranges to oranges, you'd see there is not as much seperation between these 2 teams as you may think there is.
I guess we will all find out in just over 24 hours!
I never totally appreciated that expression: "comparing apples to oranges". They're both fruit.
All any team can do is play the teams which are set in front of them, regardless of levels or anything else. In the end, I believe every team has played its share of sub-par teams and each team has played its share of great teams. I don't think anyone can dispute that.
I firmly stand by my opinion. I believe we're going to have to agree to disagree about the validity of my statistics. But I do agree that we'll see in just 27 hours!
That's what I am trying to say... if you look, MTD gained 2498.5 of those yards against the last 4 ranked teams in the ENTIRE league. Against the other teams in the league, they pulled in roughly 2600 yards... yes, impressive, but we were right on their heels there at 2219.5, and only 1 team in our league had 100+ points hung on them in only 1 game when it was still all CPU players. Not makeing excuses for that, but it is what it is. If youwere to go back through, I'm sure you'd see, that when you compare the apples to apples, and the oranges to oranges, you'd see there is not as much seperation between these 2 teams as you may think there is.
I guess we will all find out in just over 24 hours!
I never totally appreciated that expression: "comparing apples to oranges". They're both fruit.
All any team can do is play the teams which are set in front of them, regardless of levels or anything else. In the end, I believe every team has played its share of sub-par teams and each team has played its share of great teams. I don't think anyone can dispute that.
I firmly stand by my opinion. I believe we're going to have to agree to disagree about the validity of my statistics. But I do agree that we'll see in just 27 hours!
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I have all the respect in the world for the Blaze and I also appreciate what Collins saying.
I would just like to add that MTD is not some sort of over inflated team that pads their stats against weak opponents. We always sub the backups in early in those games. Additionally; imo Zeta is clearly stronger then Alpha, so the #'s speak for themselves.
Having said all of that; the Blaze are an awesome team and having played this game long enough, I know they are more then capable of beating us, so we can all just let our dots run around and do the talking for us tomorrow.
I would just like to add that MTD is not some sort of over inflated team that pads their stats against weak opponents. We always sub the backups in early in those games. Additionally; imo Zeta is clearly stronger then Alpha, so the #'s speak for themselves.
Having said all of that; the Blaze are an awesome team and having played this game long enough, I know they are more then capable of beating us, so we can all just let our dots run around and do the talking for us tomorrow.
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Every season in any league I've played in, the Alpha vs. Zeta conversation comes up. It is a fun debate, and lot of comments thrown back and forth, and in the end, all that matters is the games that are played against each other...not the games played in our own conference -- the crossovers matter.
For season three in AA#2, Zeta reigned supreme, taking 11 of the 16 matchups. Next year, it could be reversed...who knows.
The other thing noone considers is how each team gameplans (i.e. what are your objectives) and how do the teams match up against each other (strengths vs. weaknesses).
I can say for the MTD's, our gameplan has not once ever been to score 100 points against another club..in fact, I hope we never do...all I care about is the W. And so far, we have 19 of those W's and not one L, and we plan to keep it that way tomorrow in a tough match vs. a very good Blaze team, a team I respect from management through players.
For season three in AA#2, Zeta reigned supreme, taking 11 of the 16 matchups. Next year, it could be reversed...who knows.
The other thing noone considers is how each team gameplans (i.e. what are your objectives) and how do the teams match up against each other (strengths vs. weaknesses).
I can say for the MTD's, our gameplan has not once ever been to score 100 points against another club..in fact, I hope we never do...all I care about is the W. And so far, we have 19 of those W's and not one L, and we plan to keep it that way tomorrow in a tough match vs. a very good Blaze team, a team I respect from management through players.
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