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Originally posted by Ravenwood
By June, the United States will have re-shored all manufacturing back the United States, and everyone will be working again in factories, with full employment, and good paying jobs for all.

Or so Trump and his barking seals would have you believe.

They conveniently forget 3 realities:

1. It can take up to 5 years - and can cost billions of dollars - to construct a new automotive manufacturing plant. Even if the plan is to simply retool a previously shuttered plant that's currently lying idle, that is still at least a year away, and will cost millions. It's not going to happen "by June".

2. Even if you could re-shore all manufacturing by June, and start making everything in the U.S. again, unless you're paying American workers the same wage as manufacturing jobs pay in Vietnam or Cambodia or China, those products are going to cost more to make. This will push prices up, making everything more expensive. (Remember - Trump campaigned on bringing prices down, not pouring gasoline on inflation.)

3. This is assuming you could even find workers for those reshored manufacturing jobs. As recently as December, the United States was at 4.1 percent unemployment - a level economists typically consider 'full employment'. In short, there aren't hoards of unemployed Americans wandering aimlessly through the streets looking for work. Well, not yet anyway. Maybe by June though.

In the meantime, peoples' life savings are being torched at the same time as prices are about to soar. For example, in the next few weeks for example, the price of a new automobile is expected to rise by 25 percent.

What typically happens when prices start rising (ie. inflation)? Interest rates go up.

So, Trump and his amateur army of barking seals who want to 'play government', will have accomplished the following impressive list, in just a few short weeks:

- Destroyed Americans' life savings
- Unleashed out-of-control inflation
- Forced the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates, making it more expensive to borrow money for a new car or home
- Caused a recession that leads to unemployment
- Closed U.S. export markets to American exporters by bringing on retaliatory tariffs
- Undermined America's global network of alliances, thus jeopardizing American national security
- Squandered any international goodwill the U.S. had by revealing itself to be a bad actor that cannot be relied upon

And this is just the first 100 days, people.


What I just described above - high inflation with a stagnating or shrinking economy - is sometimes referred to as 'stagflation' - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagflation

If you were around in the 1970s, you may remember the high inflation and high unemployment. This 'stagflation' was eventually tamed by very high interest rates (approaching as much as 20 percent) and, ironically, the deregulation and free trade policies of Ronald Reagan.

I know, right? Who would have guessed?



Edited by Ravenwood on Apr 5, 2025 16:10:34
 
MontaviousX
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And we all know how well completely insular economies work. Just look at how well North Korea is doing!
 
ewinter43
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I like the second grade math they used to determine the tariffs, the trade deficit between the countries divided by 2. lol we have imbeciles running this once great nation. Secretary of defense is texting war plans via 3rd party phone app. Secretary of intelligence unable to answer any questions before congress because she didn't have trump next to her telling her what to say. Attorney general can't do anything but threaten people who vandalize Teslers. Trump doesn't even know what his best friend's company is called lol. Putin is laughing his ass off because republicans are so ignorant, gullible, and spineless that they destroyed his only rival in 4 months. Republicans will believe conspiracy theorists, tik tok videos, and russian memes over doctors, scientists, and experts. It's literally the party of stupid now. Everything is a conspiracy theory when you don't understand how anything works.
 
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Originally posted by Backes-to-Backes
sell those shares lol


Locking in one's losses is generally a bad idea.
 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
Originally posted by MontaviousX

And when we’re in a full blown recession, would you admit that it’s all been a massive mistake?


Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader

That's great. You'll have a say in 2028.

....by June of 2025 you can scratch "the economy" off of your complaint list (if not sooner).




 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader

Originally posted by MontaviousX


And when we’re in a full blown recession, would you admit that it’s all been a massive mistake?


Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader


That's great. You'll have a say in 2028.

....by June of 2025 you can scratch "the economy" off of your complaint list (if not sooner).






By June I’ll be lucky to have a job you nitwit. I work in automotive. We import and export the majority of our product from Mexico and Canada. Now we have a massive increase in material cost, with a looming drop off in new car sales. Tell me how companies make ends meet in that situation. I’ll wait
 
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Originally posted by MontaviousX
By June I’ll be lucky to have a job you nitwit. I work in automotive. We import and export the majority of our product from Mexico and Canada. Now we have a massive increase in material cost, with a looming drop off in new car sales. Tell me how companies make ends meet in that situation. I’ll wait


You'll have a job. And the economy will be just fine. We're at the 80-day mark. Slow your roll.
 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
You'll have a job. And the economy will be just fine. We're at the 80-day mark. Slow your roll.


This is the stupidest shit I’ve ever read in my life

You don’t know shit about fuck Larry.
 
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Originally posted by MontaviousX
This is the stupidest shit I’ve ever read in my life

You don’t know shit about fuck Larry.


Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
I don't give a crap about a single thing you assert until you can stand up for the average American taxpayer. Step up.

Just a single sentence: "The average American taxpayer shouldn't have their wages sent to Harvard,"
 
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Originally posted by Larry Roadgrader
You'll have a job. And the economy will be just fine. We're at the 80-day mark. Slow your roll.


Over 4000 manufacturing employees laid off, a good chunk work in plants we supply.

You wanna keep talking out of your ass about topics you clearly are in over your head about?
 
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Originally posted by MontaviousX
Over 4000 manufacturing employees laid off, a good chunk work in plants we supply.

You wanna keep talking out of your ass about topics you clearly are in over your head about?


https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 228,000 in March, and the unemployment rate changed
little at 4.2 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today.
Job gains occurred
in health care, in social assistance, and in transportation and warehousing. Employment also
increased in retail trade, partially reflecting the return of workers from a strike. Federal
government employment declined.

This news release presents statistics from two monthly surveys. The household survey measures
labor force status, including unemployment, by demographic characteristics. The establishment
survey measures nonfarm employment, hours, and earnings by industry. For more information about
the concepts and statistical methodology used in these two surveys, see the Technical Note.

Household Survey Data

Both the unemployment rate, at 4.2 percent, and the number of unemployed people, at 7.1 million,
changed little in March.
The unemployment rate has remained in a narrow range of 4.0 percent to
4.2 percent since May 2024. (See table A-1.)
 
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^^^^^^

Gee, maybe the sky ISN'T falling.
 
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https://x.com/IanJaeger29/status/1908913278643732739
 
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Originally posted by Ravenwood
What I just described above - high inflation with a stagnating or shrinking economy - is sometimes referred to as 'stagflation' - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagflation

If you were around in the 1970s, you may remember the high inflation and high unemployment. This 'stagflation' was eventually tamed by very high interest rates (approaching as much as 20 percent) and, ironically, the deregulation and free trade policies of Ronald Reagan.

I know, right? Who would have guessed?





Literally the Biden presidency...

Car prices rose 22.27% during the Biden presidency.

 
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Originally posted by MontaviousX
This is the stupidest shit I’ve ever read in my life



I doubt it. You just agreed with the other stupid shit you've read.

 
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