With Prodigy being a thing, I don't think Superstars should be as much of an issue. I think Prodigy is a fantastic addition and we've yet to see how good it can be.
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The bitching about 2 kickers is why we got two kickers removed in the first place. I used to use two kickers, it was more popular than people like to admit.
Then a certain sect decided that it’s a “waste of space when a S* would suffice”. We got “cheaper” kicking, but *spoiler alert* kicking is still insanely expensive.
Same way people bitched about S* powerbacks, but are perfectly fine with the easy exploitation for elusive rushers.
New users have been trained and conditioned by the current Vets so I can understand how easy it is for everyone to say “rules is rules”, but GLB2 used to be a different landscape 60 odd seasons ago. You can say we’re holding on to the old days, but the game isn’t doing so hot in its current state so there needs to be an introspective look as to why…
creativity my ass.
Then a certain sect decided that it’s a “waste of space when a S* would suffice”. We got “cheaper” kicking, but *spoiler alert* kicking is still insanely expensive.
Same way people bitched about S* powerbacks, but are perfectly fine with the easy exploitation for elusive rushers.
New users have been trained and conditioned by the current Vets so I can understand how easy it is for everyone to say “rules is rules”, but GLB2 used to be a different landscape 60 odd seasons ago. You can say we’re holding on to the old days, but the game isn’t doing so hot in its current state so there needs to be an introspective look as to why…
creativity my ass.
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Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
With Prodigy being a thing, I don't think Superstars should be as much of an issue. I think Prodigy is a fantastic addition and we've yet to see how good it can be.
Very useful addition. I was tired of hearing the “get your supes up argument” when people are literally farming them & glamping up new users for the sake of stars in exchange of “passing on knowledge”.
If a game becomes so difficult that new users cannot compete without relying heavily to the long-term users who have shaped what the game has become, what’s the purpose of the game?
Nice to have something that adds a real element to team building that’s not star farming base. Gives new users a bit more power and flexibility to get into the swing of things on their own.
With Prodigy being a thing, I don't think Superstars should be as much of an issue. I think Prodigy is a fantastic addition and we've yet to see how good it can be.
Very useful addition. I was tired of hearing the “get your supes up argument” when people are literally farming them & glamping up new users for the sake of stars in exchange of “passing on knowledge”.
If a game becomes so difficult that new users cannot compete without relying heavily to the long-term users who have shaped what the game has become, what’s the purpose of the game?
Nice to have something that adds a real element to team building that’s not star farming base. Gives new users a bit more power and flexibility to get into the swing of things on their own.
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Originally posted by ellix
Imagine knowingly exploiting the game, one that has consequences that directly oppose your own stated objectives.
(Fitting a second kicker onto a roster allows more superstars rather than less since it's the cheapest player in the game. Allows your to save thousands of SP on your kicker because you don't need any kick off power, and allows you to not have to field a return defense because you have a kicker who can always boot it through the uprights.)
Then imagine that when it inevitably get fixed because it's obviously bad for the game, you decide to throw a fit, paint yourself as some kind of victim (that your own choice to exploit caused), and then quit.
You are getting downvoted on this post, but your are 100% correct.
Imagine knowingly exploiting the game, one that has consequences that directly oppose your own stated objectives.
(Fitting a second kicker onto a roster allows more superstars rather than less since it's the cheapest player in the game. Allows your to save thousands of SP on your kicker because you don't need any kick off power, and allows you to not have to field a return defense because you have a kicker who can always boot it through the uprights.)
Then imagine that when it inevitably get fixed because it's obviously bad for the game, you decide to throw a fit, paint yourself as some kind of victim (that your own choice to exploit caused), and then quit.
You are getting downvoted on this post, but your are 100% correct.
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Originally posted by TyDavis315
Ignoring the teams you coach, you directly have 20 S* under contract right now. I don’t remember who had that 13-15 S* team that one time, but it’d be a fair guess if I said you.
Two kickers aren’t changing the game dude. Kickoffs are already shit, and kicking isn’t that great to begin with. You can have all FS’ and no SS & be fine, yet two kickers is where the line is drawn?
I don’t like the fact that there’s so many “holier than thou” agents who feel this way because they’re “winners”, even though the reason why they’re winning is because they’re exploiting the game while making sure other users cannot express themselves creatively.
It’s one thing to be a bitch about user suggestions, it’s another thing to be a bitch about how others build their team
He is actually trying to protect the losers, not the winners..... The rich would just get richer if you could have 2 kickers. Does anybody around here use their brain?
Ignoring the teams you coach, you directly have 20 S* under contract right now. I don’t remember who had that 13-15 S* team that one time, but it’d be a fair guess if I said you.
Two kickers aren’t changing the game dude. Kickoffs are already shit, and kicking isn’t that great to begin with. You can have all FS’ and no SS & be fine, yet two kickers is where the line is drawn?
I don’t like the fact that there’s so many “holier than thou” agents who feel this way because they’re “winners”, even though the reason why they’re winning is because they’re exploiting the game while making sure other users cannot express themselves creatively.
It’s one thing to be a bitch about user suggestions, it’s another thing to be a bitch about how others build their team
He is actually trying to protect the losers, not the winners..... The rich would just get richer if you could have 2 kickers. Does anybody around here use their brain?
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Show me where in GLB2 history two kickers was breaking the game versus literally planning and building a team around S* exploitation?
What exactly does everyone think would happen if you could use two kickers? That the people already exploiting roster building are going to try and find a way to fit another star on the team?
*Spoiler alert* they already have. Pre-crash, the return game was completely out of hand & elusive rushers were killing it. If you don’t want something nerfed, you allow the flexibility to make improvements.
Decent kickers aren’t that easy to make, and the cost analysis is bullshit. We’re currently paying our kicker 2M; even if I wanted to bring in a cheap, low cost option I would either have to get creative financially or lose a player. It still hurts your team, you still have to be strategic about team building, and it’s not the f* rich getting richer when it’s the “rich” complaining about suggestions the non-rich would like to see….
What exactly does everyone think would happen if you could use two kickers? That the people already exploiting roster building are going to try and find a way to fit another star on the team?
*Spoiler alert* they already have. Pre-crash, the return game was completely out of hand & elusive rushers were killing it. If you don’t want something nerfed, you allow the flexibility to make improvements.
Decent kickers aren’t that easy to make, and the cost analysis is bullshit. We’re currently paying our kicker 2M; even if I wanted to bring in a cheap, low cost option I would either have to get creative financially or lose a player. It still hurts your team, you still have to be strategic about team building, and it’s not the f* rich getting richer when it’s the “rich” complaining about suggestions the non-rich would like to see….
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I remember a certain user named GE who used to be so passionate, so for the people. I couldn’t understand why since zone is booty, but they pioneered it into what it is today honestly. No matter how crazy or useless or “game breaking” they were told it is.
Then when zone needed them most, they vanished.
Wonder how they’re doing. Keep going Ace !
Le Resistance is behind you & your dreams
Then when zone needed them most, they vanished.
Wonder how they’re doing. Keep going Ace !
Le Resistance is behind you & your dreams
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Originally posted by TyDavis315
Show me where in GLB2 history two kickers was breaking the game versus literally planning and building a team around S* exploitation?
What exactly does everyone think would happen if you could use two kickers? That the people already exploiting roster building are going to try and find a way to fit another star on the team?
*Spoiler alert* they already have. Pre-crash, the return game was completely out of hand & elusive rushers were killing it. If you don’t want something nerfed, you allow the flexibility to make improvements.
Decent kickers aren’t that easy to make, and the cost analysis is bullshit. We’re currently paying our kicker 2M; even if I wanted to bring in a cheap, low cost option I would either have to get creative financially or lose a player. It still hurts your team, you still have to be strategic about team building, and it’s not the f* rich getting richer when it’s the “rich” complaining about suggestions the non-rich would like to see….
Things don't work in a vacuum. You using two kickers may not be OP to you. It would be OP for me, which only further exacerbates the "us VS them" mentality you already seem to have fomented.
Show me where in GLB2 history two kickers was breaking the game versus literally planning and building a team around S* exploitation?
What exactly does everyone think would happen if you could use two kickers? That the people already exploiting roster building are going to try and find a way to fit another star on the team?
*Spoiler alert* they already have. Pre-crash, the return game was completely out of hand & elusive rushers were killing it. If you don’t want something nerfed, you allow the flexibility to make improvements.
Decent kickers aren’t that easy to make, and the cost analysis is bullshit. We’re currently paying our kicker 2M; even if I wanted to bring in a cheap, low cost option I would either have to get creative financially or lose a player. It still hurts your team, you still have to be strategic about team building, and it’s not the f* rich getting richer when it’s the “rich” complaining about suggestions the non-rich would like to see….
Things don't work in a vacuum. You using two kickers may not be OP to you. It would be OP for me, which only further exacerbates the "us VS them" mentality you already seem to have fomented.
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Originally posted by TyDavis315
Show me where in GLB2 history two kickers was breaking the game versus literally planning and building a team around S* exploitation?
What exactly does everyone think would happen if you could use two kickers? That the people already exploiting roster building are going to try and find a way to fit another star on the team?
Holy shit man. Ellix just explained how having 2 kickers would help the rich get richer.
Show me where in GLB2 history two kickers was breaking the game versus literally planning and building a team around S* exploitation?
What exactly does everyone think would happen if you could use two kickers? That the people already exploiting roster building are going to try and find a way to fit another star on the team?
Holy shit man. Ellix just explained how having 2 kickers would help the rich get richer.
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I am defending nobody in this shit show. I will explain why kickers got restricted to 1.
Back in the day, we could have two kickers, we built a kickoff kicker and we essentially removed kick returns from the game. Done that's it.
Now let me explain to everyone why this is still important today. If you go watch an ellix-based team, pick one of his old 13+ star teams, he would push the roster so hard that they had no depth. This meant he can't have much of a coverage team on kickoffs or he will exhaust his Stars on defense. That is of course fair to everyone. Because of this, Ellix high-star teams tend to give up a lot of kick returns for TDs.
If you allow him to have two kickers, he will build a kicker that will make a touchback 90% rate or higher, now you can't score on him on special teams either and his strong team is more important. Now I am using Ellix as an example just cause he has been mentioned but this is true of almost all teams with high star numbers.
So this shows you how him only having one kicker makes it better for the game as a whole. This was true in season 10 and is still true today.
Lastly, Kickers are not near as bad as they used to be, Bort did an update last season that allowed kickers to have a second roll if they missed based on their consistency number in their build. I am seeing kickers this season at all time high kick rates. I have two kickers above 80% rate, compare that to the NFL average for kickers right now today, thats equal if not better. Kickers are in a great place, no need to have two.
Back in the day, we could have two kickers, we built a kickoff kicker and we essentially removed kick returns from the game. Done that's it.
Now let me explain to everyone why this is still important today. If you go watch an ellix-based team, pick one of his old 13+ star teams, he would push the roster so hard that they had no depth. This meant he can't have much of a coverage team on kickoffs or he will exhaust his Stars on defense. That is of course fair to everyone. Because of this, Ellix high-star teams tend to give up a lot of kick returns for TDs.
If you allow him to have two kickers, he will build a kicker that will make a touchback 90% rate or higher, now you can't score on him on special teams either and his strong team is more important. Now I am using Ellix as an example just cause he has been mentioned but this is true of almost all teams with high star numbers.
So this shows you how him only having one kicker makes it better for the game as a whole. This was true in season 10 and is still true today.
Lastly, Kickers are not near as bad as they used to be, Bort did an update last season that allowed kickers to have a second roll if they missed based on their consistency number in their build. I am seeing kickers this season at all time high kick rates. I have two kickers above 80% rate, compare that to the NFL average for kickers right now today, thats equal if not better. Kickers are in a great place, no need to have two.
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Ellix is going to exploit the game regardless, I don’t really see why we’re basing it off of what he’s going to do either.
The hypocrisy is interesting I have played against most of you, and have had my real tests obliterated by your game logic.
a) kickoffs aren’t going to make great teams greater. Many of you have absolutely no depth (especially at HB), so you know exactly how conditioning works. Let’s not forget star backs were killing it on returns pre divine intervention.
b) we didn’t “remove kick returns” that’s a simplistic way of looking at it. Many teams had designated return guys that would see plenty of action. It’s actually how I was taught to build elusive backs.
The issue is that rushing was fucked and runners could do whatever the hell they wanted, if you couldn’t tell by the old HoF.
c) specifically for Dred - are you saying you can’t beat ellix without special teams? Is that what you’re *publicly* admitting?
The hypocrisy is interesting I have played against most of you, and have had my real tests obliterated by your game logic.
a) kickoffs aren’t going to make great teams greater. Many of you have absolutely no depth (especially at HB), so you know exactly how conditioning works. Let’s not forget star backs were killing it on returns pre divine intervention.
b) we didn’t “remove kick returns” that’s a simplistic way of looking at it. Many teams had designated return guys that would see plenty of action. It’s actually how I was taught to build elusive backs.
The issue is that rushing was fucked and runners could do whatever the hell they wanted, if you couldn’t tell by the old HoF.
c) specifically for Dred - are you saying you can’t beat ellix without special teams? Is that what you’re *publicly* admitting?
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Kicking is still expensive as shit and it’s a lie that it would “allow for more superstars”. Some people are just going to make it their mission to try and do so bc they are who they are.
Btw most users can’t organically put together that much stars at one time consistently in the first place, so prodigy is a great counter. Still comes with a hefty raise, so some of this isn’t real logic, just a single user’s complaint.
Why do people use 3 FS’ and no SS btw? Can anyone enlighten me as to why?
Hypocrisy is an ugly look
Btw most users can’t organically put together that much stars at one time consistently in the first place, so prodigy is a great counter. Still comes with a hefty raise, so some of this isn’t real logic, just a single user’s complaint.
Why do people use 3 FS’ and no SS btw? Can anyone enlighten me as to why?
Hypocrisy is an ugly look
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Originally posted by TyDavis315
Ellix is going to exploit the game regardless, I don’t really see why we’re basing it off of what he’s going to do either.
The hypocrisy is interesting I have played against most of you, and have had my real tests obliterated by your game logic.
a) kickoffs aren’t going to make great teams greater. Many of you have absolutely no depth (especially at HB), so you know exactly how conditioning works. Let’s not forget star backs were killing it on returns pre divine intervention.
b) we didn’t “remove kick returns” that’s a simplistic way of looking at it. Many teams had designated return guys that would see plenty of action. It’s actually how I was taught to build elusive backs.
The issue is that rushing was fucked and runners could do whatever the hell they wanted, if you couldn’t tell by the old HoF.
c) specifically for Dred - are you saying you can’t beat ellix without special teams? Is that what you’re *publicly* admitting?
No, myself and others are telling you that we'll just all start doing it.
And that it will have only one effect, making the game worse.
This really isn't too hard.
And for someone who is so vitriolic towards the perceived power users, you'd figure you'd want to keep from handing us yet another "unfair" advantage that you think we already have.
Ellix is going to exploit the game regardless, I don’t really see why we’re basing it off of what he’s going to do either.
The hypocrisy is interesting I have played against most of you, and have had my real tests obliterated by your game logic.
a) kickoffs aren’t going to make great teams greater. Many of you have absolutely no depth (especially at HB), so you know exactly how conditioning works. Let’s not forget star backs were killing it on returns pre divine intervention.
b) we didn’t “remove kick returns” that’s a simplistic way of looking at it. Many teams had designated return guys that would see plenty of action. It’s actually how I was taught to build elusive backs.
The issue is that rushing was fucked and runners could do whatever the hell they wanted, if you couldn’t tell by the old HoF.
c) specifically for Dred - are you saying you can’t beat ellix without special teams? Is that what you’re *publicly* admitting?
No, myself and others are telling you that we'll just all start doing it.
And that it will have only one effect, making the game worse.
This really isn't too hard.
And for someone who is so vitriolic towards the perceived power users, you'd figure you'd want to keep from handing us yet another "unfair" advantage that you think we already have.
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Originally posted by TyDavis315
Kicking is still expensive as shit and it’s a lie that it would “allow for more superstars”.
Why do people use 3 FS’ and no SS btw? Can anyone enlighten me as to why?
1) It really would, not even hard to dispute?
2) Free Safeties pay much less than SS for Pass Defense and Speed which are considered much more important than SS' savings they make in tackling skills and run blocking.
Kicking is still expensive as shit and it’s a lie that it would “allow for more superstars”.
Why do people use 3 FS’ and no SS btw? Can anyone enlighten me as to why?
1) It really would, not even hard to dispute?
2) Free Safeties pay much less than SS for Pass Defense and Speed which are considered much more important than SS' savings they make in tackling skills and run blocking.
Edited by ellix on May 22, 2023 11:10:31
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Originally posted by TyDavis315
Ellix is going to exploit the game regardless, I don’t really see why we’re basing it off of what he’s going to do either.
The hypocrisy is interesting I have played against most of you, and have had my real tests obliterated by your game logic.
a) kickoffs aren’t going to make great teams greater. Many of you have absolutely no depth (especially at HB), so you know exactly how conditioning works. Let’s not forget star backs were killing it on returns pre divine intervention.
b) we didn’t “remove kick returns” that’s a simplistic way of looking at it. Many teams had designated return guys that would see plenty of action. It’s actually how I was taught to build elusive backs.
The issue is that rushing was fucked and runners could do whatever the hell they wanted, if you couldn’t tell by the old HoF.
c) specifically for Dred - are you saying you can’t beat ellix without special teams? Is that what you’re *publicly* admitting?
lmao no, in fact I just beat him before the great glb fail in playoffs twice and once in a championship game. I am giving you a clear example for understanding.
Ellix is going to exploit the game regardless, I don’t really see why we’re basing it off of what he’s going to do either.
The hypocrisy is interesting I have played against most of you, and have had my real tests obliterated by your game logic.
a) kickoffs aren’t going to make great teams greater. Many of you have absolutely no depth (especially at HB), so you know exactly how conditioning works. Let’s not forget star backs were killing it on returns pre divine intervention.
b) we didn’t “remove kick returns” that’s a simplistic way of looking at it. Many teams had designated return guys that would see plenty of action. It’s actually how I was taught to build elusive backs.
The issue is that rushing was fucked and runners could do whatever the hell they wanted, if you couldn’t tell by the old HoF.
c) specifically for Dred - are you saying you can’t beat ellix without special teams? Is that what you’re *publicly* admitting?
lmao no, in fact I just beat him before the great glb fail in playoffs twice and once in a championship game. I am giving you a clear example for understanding.
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