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Originally posted by Cybertron
Could be the QB’s fault?

If you mean for my superstar, the QB there's a consistency and tech monster, so doubtful. He's only got 65 hands and 88 aware at the moment though so his being over 20 'makes sense' from what I know.

Originally posted by Raid
btw that 15-20% rate is about the highest you will see among drop leaders in college and nfl ball. So the guys falling into this rate are among the stoniest hands in the game.

And the leader last year in the NFL was at an 11% rate - so it's not like that high is a given.

technically even though they are open it could still be a bad pass tyhat the player has to adjust too? Also keep in mind if it is a bad pass for whatever reason whether inaccurate or just a bad ball the receiver probably has multiple checks to make and may just have terrible luck

Originally posted by vipermaw82
technically even though they are open it could still be a bad pass tyhat the player has to adjust too? Also keep in mind if it is a bad pass for whatever reason whether inaccurate or just a bad ball the receiver probably has multiple checks to make and may just have terrible luck

I'm just saying it's a bit off from a football prospective to have drops be the norm at the stoniest level in existence in pro/college sports up until you get your stats to an insane level - then you just fall back to 'normal' levels among those players.

Originally posted by Raid
This is in general, but 10 drops on 46 catches is over 20% - drops dont happen per target, and frankly they don't even happen per catch, they happen when you are unobstructed and have a free shot at a catch.

There are catches that happen with a defender draped on you, and that's still his most common type of catch, if you are going by wide open catches the rate is more like 40-60% until you hit those magical high hands numbers - or whatever Edgar's doin.

Raid you do not compare Catches to drops on your percentage. You would be comparing Targets to drops.

My numbers are not that high at all. A major factor simply plays calling. I am going to put my players in the best possible position to make easy catches and not worry about stupid drops. I honestly dont feel I see that many drops on just easy wide open spots on any of my teams.

Hell Sloths are pure speed build WR and we dont drop that many dumb balls for how low our hands are.

And yes the QB is absolutely a major factor in drops. Always has been, always will be. If a ball has a a nice tight spiral the ball is easier to catch, the main factor that matters for that is Pass Technique.

Rec consistency is also a factor that is big.

Originally posted by dredgar
Raid you do not compare Catches to drops on your percentage. You would be comparing Targets to drops.

My numbers are not that high at all. A major factor simply plays calling. I am going to put my players in the best possible position to make easy catches and not worry about stupid drops. I honestly dont feel I see that many drops on just easy wide open spots on any of my teams.

Hell Sloths are pure speed build WR and we dont drop that many dumb balls for how low our hands are.

Why would you compare drops to targets when only a small % of those targets have the chance to even be a drop? Should we be counting average yards per down on halfbacks instead of yards per carry?

At least with catch to drop ratios it's a *little* more fair to the rate at which it really happens, but in reality even then any contested catch has 0 chance of being a drop.



Comparing yards per down on two backs that have vastly different rates of running the ball would be just as unfair to compare as it is to compare catch rates in this game overall vs. reality - so instead of going off targets it's just a lot, lot better to go off catches, even if every one of those catches isn't a chance for a drop, none of those other incompletions are, aside from the ones recorded as a drop already.

Originally posted by dredgar
And yes the QB is absolutely a major factor in drops. Always has been, always will be. If a ball has a a nice tight spiral the ball is easier to catch, the main factor that matters for that is Pass Technique.

Rec consistency is also a factor that is big.

And those are both quite high for my S*s on Tcejorp yet the same problem remains.

28 catches
0 drops

https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/game/920964

What's his receiving consistency? That's a big factor as is balance too

Originally posted by BoDiddley
What's his receiving consistency? That's a big factor as is balance too

65 for both at the moment.

QB sits aroung 85 in tech and consistency too so it's not the pass itself.

Drops are WAY higher over the last few seasons. I'm a nerd who keeps track of final stats for builds I've coached or made (both my players and other agent's):

Of 13 WRs who retired S61 and prior their career drops per target ranged between 1.66% and 2.71% (with one outlier at 3.35%)
Of the current Aces and Waterboys WRs career drops range between 3.53% and 5.26% (not including this season's stats)

Of 6 retired TEs, drops ranged from 3.28% to 3.82% (with one outlier at 4.36%... ironically named 'Ball Catcher' )
Current TEs drops range between 4.64% to 6.85% of targets.

Trust me, it's not a debate, drops are high and it's frustrating as hell. Almost as frustrating as all the missed FGs.

Rolling 1's people

Originally posted by Ace of Spades 7
Drops are WAY higher over the last few seasons. I'm a nerd who keeps track of final stats for builds I've coached or made (both my players and other agent's):

Of 13 WRs who retired S61 and prior their career drops per target ranged between 1.66% and 2.71% (with one outlier at 3.35%)
Of the current Aces and Waterboys WRs career drops range between 3.53% and 5.26% (not including this season's stats)

Of 6 retired TEs, drops ranged from 3.28% to 3.82% (with one outlier at 4.36%... ironically named 'Ball Catcher' )
Current TEs drops range between 4.64% to 6.85% of targets.

Trust me, it's not a debate, drops are high and it's frustrating as hell. Almost as frustrating as all the missed FGs.


This season bort told us there would be more, so no reason to freak over it..

But overall Mt teams drops are down compared to the fact we have a lot more attempts now.