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They are changes that people have been demanding for the better part of a year.

With "overwhelming" support, even.

Originally posted by Corndog
They are changes that people have been demanding for the better part of a year.

With "overwhelming" support, even.

Maybe and totally your guys is call. Certainly I wasn't calling for it. Also my call not to hang out for it. But I get it "the bad man made you do it".


It's a wretched idea - I hate when any single form becomes so dominant that to win at high levels you have to do it - that's basically where Zone is going to be in short order.

Originally posted by william78
- Zone Shark SA now works in any zone coverage, but its activation chance and level 1 & 2 duration have been reduced since it is now relevant essentially every play for a lot of players.

Power Tackling and Tackling Grip SP cost modifier reduced for CBs a bit. Point refunds for this will also be handled by a background script.

Cornerback salary values have been reduced to match those of LBs



........waiting to see how this turns out if it turns zone from slight advantage to insane will quickly follow Xars at the end of this season.

Edit: Actually looking at the numbers I'm not even really sure I want to see this season. This is gonna be really really ugly.

Not a big shocker to see where teams go - I mean Superstar CBs that hit like LBs pumping Zone Shark and knocking out balls left and right when intermediate passing was already a little low....seriously asking myself why I bother. I like diversity was excited for a new season and this is about as cookie cutter as it gets. I mean why would anyone play anything other than zone for a new team at this point?

I really don't think this is going to be an issue; LB's have been doing it already. It just gives a wider range of builds and defense types you can put together.

You may be looking at it in a bubble too much. Zone already throws its CBs under the bus to get the most LBs possible on the field. And one of the key complaints about CBs in Zone (How often they can benefit from EotP) didn't really change. Nor does the fact that Monster Hit will always be better than Zone Shark if you have the Power Tackling for it.

You might see Zone move away from LB loaded sets - but that's going to reduce their INT totals. Which, a lot of people have been asking for.

Not to mention, Hybrid and Man defenses got a lot of the same toys that Zone did. I don't see this as a buff to any particular defense but just making CBs themselves more attractive.

Originally posted by Meteos
I really don't think this is going to be an issue; LB's have been doing it already. It just gives a wider range of builds and defense types you can put together.

Anyone building a team not zone and not designed to run the football at this point is a fool or someone glutton for punishment.

It just turned even mediocre safties into the second coming of John Lynch all across the board. That's long before anyone optimizes it.

I really do appreciate diversity I just don't like having to look at cookie cuttering every defense to zone and that's what we are going to have.

Originally posted by ellix
You may be looking at it in a bubble too much. Zone already throws its CBs under the bus to get the most LBs possible on the field. And one of the key complaints about CBs in Zone (How often they can benefit from EotP) didn't really change. Nor does the fact that Monster Hit will always be better than Zone Shark if you have the Power Tackling for it.

You might see Zone move away from LB loaded sets - but that's going to reduce their INT totals. Which, a lot of people have been asking for.

Not to mention, Hybrid and Man defenses got a lot of the same toys that Zone did. I don't see this as a buff to any particular defense but just making CBs themselves more attractive.

I hope I'm wrong but I'm not - because the points for each player are fixed minute changes when aggregated across a team have a huge impact. Xars wasn't wrong on Cover 3 being slightly overpowered, I didn't like the solution he proposed but whatever you don't always get the solution you want - that said seeing how the 3 stack together with those changes isn't a movie I really want to watch.

Originally posted by Corndog
They are changes that people have been demanding for the better part of a year.

With "overwhelming" support, even.

I love the changes. Zone can now possibly be on par with man.

And nobody ever took zone shark before. The only positions that will take it now are safeties, who play zone even on man defenses. So that is a win for both zone and man.

And making CBs cheaper helps only zone??? So man CBs don’t get the point reduction?

Man CBs can’t utilize power tackling and grip?

The only change that helps zone is zone shark….and that will also help man, as I stated above.

Originally posted by Cybertron
I love the changes. Zone can now possibly be on par with man.

And nobody ever took zone shark before. The only positions that will take it now are safeties, who play zone even on man defenses. So that is a win for both zone and man.

Coming from a person who loves zone (myself), over the last couple of seasons, zone has become the dominate defense. However, zone shark isn't a major buff to most who build zone D. Hybrid defenses will benefit from this change.

Ohh, and Nebraska's new run is a man D.

Originally posted by Cybertron
And making CBs cheaper helps only zone??? So man CBs don’t get the point reduction?

Man CBs can’t utilize power tackling and grip?

The only charge that helps zone is zone shark….and that will also help man, as I stated above.

I always liked you - but it's a huge zone BJ which was already overpowered. That was the point of the discussion during the off-season and something I simply don't want to see.

Like I said maybe Corndog is right on overwhelming support - but for me I think it's going to be a deal breaker. I don't really see why anyone would do anything other than full zone and run the ball at this point. Those had some advantages, before manageable ones, now I think if you want to win a title Gold Zone Shark is going to be a must have for safties and quite a few corners will take it too. I get it some people do love seeing KL's every other play - I'm just not that cat.

Why would you do anything else on defense at this point other than stack it on every LB, S, and CB? - I certianly wouldn't. I mean, 3 second duration up to 50% on a continous activaition SA ....like I said I like diversity why I've always liked you a little more than some others because your teams are never cookie cutter builds and I just think if someone wants to win at this point its ground and pound and zone all the way which is fine if thats a team or two as soon as people re-align for this why do anything different?

Something like this is now affordable ... why wouldn't you? http://www.glb2scout.com/vpimages/202_NEW_1644208705.png
-and thats without stobie changing the cost per power tacking - you add zone shark and you are easily looking at superstar CB's with near 100 power which is going to be stupid.

I think you should give it time. These changes will help man too IMHO. Lock down, S* CBs can now be built at a cheaper price.

Originally posted by Cybertron
I think you should give it time. These changes will help man too IMHO. Lock down, S* CBs can now be built at a cheaper price.


I generally do this one is just so obvious to see as a meta exploit.

I mean….I am only gonna put Silver zone shark on my S* FS. Other SAs, including Gold monster hit are still more important.

Zone shark and monster hit are both active so they will cancel each other out. Now I am thinking about not taking it…

Originally posted by Cybertron
I mean….I am only gonna put Silver zone shark on my S* FS. Other SAs, including Gold monster hit are still more important.

This is kinda the point about in aggregate, before it was based on scheme so there was a limitation. I don't know why anyone would build a coverage safety at this point versus a hard hitter since you can stack (even without superstar) monster hit and zone shark. Chances are pretty high one or the other fires nearly every play.

I just litterally respec'd every safety I put it on and will hope for an early season "hey we'll relook at this in the off-season" but I really hate lost seasons and this feels like one. Granted with only 1 day re-spec maybe most won't but I suspect many will.

That's again to say nothing of how this could be so easily exploited building 2 Superstar CBs into your defense and playing all zone. I don't think I really want to watch the effects of CBs hitting guys with an effective 100 power tackling on every other passing play - just wouldn't entertain me.