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A noodle armed QB on a power run team isn't the best scheme to gather data and make any assessment on if Zone needs nerfed or buffed. Currently we are dealing with teams built for the past meta, it will be awhile but eventually the strong armed QBs with burner WRs will show up and expose Zone weakness. Xars knows this and already showed his hand about a deep ball attack when we had our last discussion when bringing up that type of offense for the future.

Edit:

BSB isn't even a pure Zone team, they are hybrid.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
A noodle armed QB on a power run team isn't the best scheme to gather data and make any assessment on if Zone needs nerfed or buffed. Currently we are dealing with teams built for the past meta, it will be awhile but eventually the strong armed QBs with burner WRs will show up and expose Zone weakness. Xars knows this and already showed his hand about a deep ball attack when we had our last discussion when bringing up that type of offense for the future.

Hold my beer

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
A noodle armed QB on a power run team isn't the best scheme to gather data and make any assessment on if Zone needs nerfed or buffed. Currently we are dealing with teams built for the past meta, it will be awhile but eventually the strong armed QBs with burner WRs will show up and expose Zone weakness. Xars knows this and already showed his hand about a deep ball attack when we had our last discussion when bringing up that type of offense for the future.

Yeah, he is just pissed that noodle armed QBs got nerfed.

But so am I as Holieway is a noodle arm QB.

Not to mention BSB is a Hybrid team, not pure Zone.

Originally posted by vipermaw82
Hold my beer

I knew this was coming and it still made me laugh.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
I knew this was coming and it still made me laugh.

the noodle arm "nerf" really screwed up my build plan with SAs so gonna Pivot and save what I can, but should be fun

If someone wants to pay for the flex I will let them do the same thing xars did and run games against bsb and holy zone. That would cancel out everyone opinion of xars bad team and give you a solid built team to evaluate.

I truly believe xars idea of using actual data is the best plan possible. And I agree short passing could use a but of improvement.

(I will let them pay for the flex by making them the GM and they can set up playbooks and scrimmages.)

Originally posted by ThePh33P
Ok dokie i scouted all 30 games and this is what i came up with

705 plays were in zone
279 plays were in man

Zone had a total of 62 Interceptions leading to an INT Rate of 8.7%
Man had a total of 16 Interceptions leading to an INT Rate of 5.7%

78 Total Interceptions

I've looked at each play and have some observations on the 62 zone interceptions as they are the focus of this thread.


So the metric i used on each play was a simple one Contested, Non Contested and Error

Contested zone plays are any play where the ball hits the receiver and its an effective 50/50 ball or the receiver CAN make the catch.
This is and example of a contested play https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/818407/482426

Non-Contested Zone plays are your Zone INTS that involve a defender jumping the route OR staying underneath to make the pick.
This is an example of a non contested INT https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/819043/644559

Error Plays are obvious drops, over and under throws
Here are a couple examples. https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/818053/413299 and https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/818560/530501

of the 62 zone interceptions

36 were Non-Contested Interceptions
16 were contested Interceptions Functioning like Man coverage
10 were Wild throws or drops.



Watched a lot of picks and its almost like your team is designed to generate picks for zone defenses. With low pass power and even lower quickness multiple short routes involved your Receivers not turning quick enough during routes to give them a chance at turning contested interceptions into contested catches. Low pass power also contributed to you throwing a higher number of non-contested picks several passes could have been completions if the ball was there 4-5 full ticks earlier. Several plays forced targeting a TE with coverage underneath despite having more open targets elsewhere on the field. Your short passing being underwhelming is no surprise after looking at your quickness numbers. short passing has a lot more cuts during their routes and generally more adjustment when the ball is thrown. coupled with the fact your against very solid pass rush against most zone teams and your short routes wont develop with enough speed to be a reliable option. More often than not your players were just barely getting turned in time to catch. Basically its a complete reliance on Pass Tech and CIT combined with a lack of quickness leading to a larger proportion of INT's against faster zone teams.

Your in vet now so there's no actual way you can fix it now but you could look at popular zone plays and change some targets around to suit that matchup better. try to limit the amount of turning your players need to do that sort of thing.

Excellent post.

Originally posted by Cybertron
Well..for starters...you are not playing the correct formations to beat zone. You said you are deliberately not running any WR trips or Big I. That is how you beat a zone in running and passing. You have said as much. You are wanting to beat a zone straight up. That is not how you beat a zone. You need to overload it.

Corndog has this idea that one defender can cover multiple targets in the same zone.

I ran a controlled experiment that avoided that issue.

Originally posted by Cybertron
That is a great observation. Xars is alway blaming the game mechanics on his lack of player building skills.

I advocated for the game mechanic change AFTER I had already respecc'd my QB.

It had nothing to do with my build and everything to do with making a better game.

Originally posted by TyDavis315
Wouldn’t even say that, a noodle arm QB is an actual liability now. Defenses that sit are going to eat them up. Especially if he's being blitzed all game.

So isn't the question then what a low Pass Power QB can be good at? Or will everyone have to build high Pass Power QBs to complete 6 yard passes?

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
A noodle armed QB on a power run team isn't the best scheme to gather data and make any assessment on if Zone needs nerfed or buffed. Currently we are dealing with teams built for the past meta, it will be awhile but eventually the strong armed QBs with burner WRs will show up and expose Zone weakness. Xars knows this and already showed his hand about a deep ball attack when we had our last discussion when bringing up that type of offense for the future.

Edit:

BSB isn't even a pure Zone team, they are hybrid.

Note I may not even build that team. Also, I posted all of the info to do it (at least from my vantage point) and I'm still a few seasons away from starting it, if I ever do.

Not exactly brilliant analysis from you.

Be better.

Originally posted by Cybertron
Yeah, he is just pissed that noodle armed QBs got nerfed.

But so am I as Holieway is a noodle arm QB.

Again I advocated for a nerf to my QB. Not sure why you'd think I was mad about it.

My original post referenced short passes. Not all passing.

Originally posted by Xars
So isn't the question then what a low Pass Power QB can be good at?


Running

Originally posted by dredgar

I truly believe xars idea of using actual data is the best plan possible. And I agree short passing could use a but of improvement.

(I will let them pay for the flex by making them the GM and they can set up playbooks and scrimmages.)

I asked for data and analysis.

Look through the previous posts.

Who looked at the data and made intelligent analysis and who "thought" they knew everything but really didn't.