Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Kvothe27
As long as you lock certain pickup players from being converted into real players, everyone is happy, no?

I'd be more open to the idea, but also not entirely, because some of the same reasons you're not allowed to make players of any levels still applies.

Being able to rapidly churn out max level players to test them side by side greatly lowers barriers to "figuring out" the game. Considering most of what the game offers is in figuring out stuff, "any level players" equates to "lots of fun real fast, then lose interest". It's basically asking for cheat codes, which are a lot of fun for a short time but quickly trivializes the game.

I'll add playoffs for ranking as per this thread: https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum/thread/5314555

It has a lot of support and no one has given a reason why this wouldn't be a great addition.

Again, I'd rather be playing today, even it's for 5th or 9th place, than sitting around doing nothing like 2/3 of the teams are right now.

Originally posted by Corndog
Pickup games and pickup games exist to give on demand games for player agents.

Neither of those suggestions further that end. They're both just backwards ways to...I guess...trick us into letting you make players of any level, or at least easier to do so?

It feels to me like, she says no sex, and then your compromise solution is "just the tip". Which like, if I'm being honest, feels a little insulting? Do you think we are that dumb?

Originally posted by Corndog
I'd be more open to the idea, but also not entirely, because some of the same reasons you're not allowed to make players of any levels still applies.

Being able to rapidly churn out max level players to test them side by side greatly lowers barriers to "figuring out" the game. Considering most of what the game offers is in figuring out stuff, "any level players" equates to "lots of fun real fast, then lose interest". It's basically asking for cheat codes, which are a lot of fun for a short time but quickly trivializes the game.


First, since you write code, you're familiar with an Agile/Scrum mindset, yes? Because customers don't always use features exclusively in the ways you designed them. Yes, your Pickup Player options are designed for new agents to have something to do on day 1. However, they are also useful for existing agents to build players for testing purposes and to build/level players quickly when a replacement is needed at higher tiers.

I think you're ignoring or at least downplaying the reason people leave the game. Teams become noncompetitive at higher tiers when an agent goes inactive and their player is "lost". One agent (customer) leaving the game creates a perverse incentive for others to leave the game. It's not the only reason people leave of course, but it's a huge factor - especially amongst the non-vocal/non-posting crowd.

Second, the game is 8 years old. I still test things. Plenty is unknown. However (again), when a new player joins an old game, they want to scale up quickly. They want to read guides, etc. It's not about cheat codes. Cheat codes are for one player games. This is a PVP game. So if I'm actively cheating, then ban me but if I "know" certain secrets and play within the rules, no one is surprised. If I started playing Fortnite right now, wouldn't I be at a massive disadvantage? I've played 3 instances of it in my life.

So maybe it's not utilizing the Pickup Player system, but something else you can do that allows Teams to reload their rosters at higher tiers easier. Because the Marketplace option was always a shitshow even back in S5. You clearly had an idea in mind for people to deal with roster turnover, but it hasn't been effective in a long, long time.

So here's the User Story I'd write:

As a customer managing a higher tier team that has an open roster spot, I need a better mechanism than the current Marketplace/Pickup Player/CPU players(they suck) options to reload my team, so the team can stay competitive within our current tier and my existing fellow agents doesn't get discouraged and quit the game.

Now, what's a Bort/CDog approved idea that can be implemented for the above?

Originally posted by Ace of Spades 7
I'll add playoffs for ranking as per this thread: https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum/thread/5314555

It has a lot of support and no one has given a reason why this wouldn't be a great addition.

Again, I'd rather be playing today, even it's for 5th or 9th place, than sitting around doing nothing like 2/3 of the teams are right now.

I'm not a fan of this, personally...I prefer the current format. This isn't the SEC basketball tourney, your final record dictates what you are and I don't think everyone should get a participation trophy as far as playoffs either, IMO. This kills competition for me, unfortunately.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
I'm not a fan of this, personally...I prefer the current format. This isn't the SEC basketball tourney, your final record dictates what you are and I don't think everyone should get a participation trophy as far as playoffs either, IMO. This kills competition for me, unfortunately.
This isn't about a participation trophy, this is about actually participating.

The current top 4 teams playing for the championship stays the same. This suggestion allows the other 2/3 of teams in the game to continue playing if only for 5th, 9th, or 11th place. They wouldn't get trophies for their result they'd only get more games in the season. And, how could that be a bad thing?

Originally posted by Ace of Spades 7

This isn't about a participation trophy, this is about actually participating.

The current top 4 teams playing for the championship stays the same. This suggestion allows the other 2/3 of teams in the game to continue playing if only for 5th, 9th, or 11th place. They wouldn't get trophies for their result they'd only game more games in the season. And, how could that be a bad thing?

Because it feels like a consolation prize to me. I don't see the NFL or NCAA doing this and I have no interest in seeing it in this sim. Play to be the champion or nothing, IMHO.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
Because it feels like a consolation prize to me. I don't see the NFL or NCAA doing this and I have no interest in seeing it in this sim. Play to be the champion or nothing.

Thoughts on all non-playoff teams playing a ladder game on league day?

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
Because it feels like a consolation prize to me. I don't see the NFL or NCAA doing this
That's because NFL players won't beat up their bodies for 5th place. Heck, they have a hard enough time getting players out to the Pro Bowl. But, we don't have that issue in GLB.
NCAA does have this, BTW. Teams that don't make the NCAA tournament play in other tournaments (NAIA, or something). They have Bowl games for every sponsor who can put up the money.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
Play to be the champion or nothing, IHO.
I understand that sentiment. But, that's easy to say when you're in the top 1/3. Being in the bottom 2/3 of teams means this time of the season really sucks. Especially since we have no prospect of being in the top 1/3 until we reset (and even then, who knows).

We have to consider what's good for the game. Having more people participating for a longer period of time only improves player retention season to season. And that can only help grow the game.

Originally posted by Ace of Spades 7
I'll add playoffs for ranking as per this thread: https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum/thread/5314555

It has a lot of support and no one has given a reason why this wouldn't be a great addition.

Again, I'd rather be playing today, even it's for 5th or 9th place, than sitting around doing nothing like 2/3 of the teams are right now.

This destroys the regular season. You earn a trip to the playoffs by having a good regular season. A playoff spot shouldn't be handed out like candy. If you want to create a 2nd, NIT type tournament, for the 8 teams that didn't make the playoffs, I am ok with that.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
Because it feels like a consolation prize to me. I don't see the NFL or NCAA doing this and I have no interest in seeing it in this sim. Play to be the champion or nothing, IHO.

Meh...everybody knows the only games that matter are the top 4 teams in the playoffs. Who cares if a team has bragging rights for #5 finish.

Originally posted by Cybertron
This destroys the regular season. You earn a trip to the playoffs by having a good regular season. A playoff spot shouldn't be handed out like candy. If you want to create a 2nd, NIT type tournament, for the 8 teams that didn't make the playoffs, I am ok with that.
That's exactly what I'm saying.

Top 4 teams playing for the championship stays the same:
1st vs 4th
2nd vs 3rd

Then playing for 5th to 8th spot:
5th vs 8th
6th vs 7th

Playing for 9th to 12th spot:
9th vs 12th
10th vs 11th

Then after the first game the winning teams play each other and the losing teams play each other.
So, even in the top four teams, the losers end up playing for 3rd place.

All we're saying is two more games for the bottom 2/3 of the teams and no one but the champion gets a trophy.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
Because it feels like a consolation prize to me. I don't see the NFL or NCAA doing this and I have no interest in seeing it in this sim. Play to be the champion or nothing.

The NFL just expanded their playoffs by two teams and the NCAA added playoffs a couple years back. what are we up to a full 50% playoff participation in the nfl now? gotta be close lol.

Your also discounting everyone not playing with the goal of winning a sticker . Personally i have no interest in matching wallets over a browser game again. To me that ruins the integrity of the title. However i am very interested in building players and chronicling their stories. Looking over schemes and trying out plays and tactics in the playbooks or the tactics of players.

Chase rings and championships if that's your goal but don't chastise the people playing for different reasons. Almost every named player on Beta for example is a friend online that i do a report for each player throughout the season and send them replays and highlights/lowlights from individual games and the progression of their players. just counting content creators i have 12 of them on the team LOL

Originally posted by Ace of Spades 7

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Top 4 teams playing for the championship stays the same:
1st vs 4th
2nd vs 3rd

Then playing for 5th to 8th spot:
5th vs 8th
6th vs 7th

Playing for 9th to 12th spot:
9th vs 12th
10th vs 11th

Then after the first game the winning teams play each other and the losing teams play each other.
So, even in the top four teams, the losers end up playing for 3rd place.

All we're saying is two more games for the bottom 2/3 of the teams and no one but the champion gets a trophy.

basically anything that adds "CONTENT" to the game is a plus for the consumers. BUT all of that stuff adds cost to WGG so its tough to balance cost with production. Ideally every day someone logs in there should be a game to watch or something meaningful to do without being to demanding on the player base.

no off days or play 6out of 7 days ,3 0n 1 off speed up seasons will help big time ,or if not this add another div per league so more can qualify for playoff spots ,dont know how hard it would be to add that ,but faster seasons will help a lot

Originally posted by ThePh33P


Chase rings and championships if that's your goal but don't chastise the people playing for different reasons. Almost every named player on Beta for example is a friend online that i do a report for each player throughout the season and send them replays and highlights/lowlights from individual games and the progression of their players. just counting content creators i have 12 of them on the team LOL

Wow