Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Corndog
Every WR? Not really

A lot of the successful teams don't really have a meaningful investment into skills that would matter for cov tech.

How? Speed and quickness would seem to help with changing direction and WRs invest in that.

Are you suggesting route elusiveness as it’s offensive counter? Bc if so they used to be much more prevalent. My WR has 95 route elusiveness and I haven’t watched him so couldn’t tell ya if it was worth lol

Well I can confidently say that 100 man and 98 cov tech. Doesn't look much better than a normal CPU CB. I've seen a handful of plays that the increased reaction time on cuts has impacted the play but most of the time. The CBs still get regularly beaten in coverage especially on curls. My best guess is designed failure at this point.

I'm assuming positions have different base values on skills and CB have decent coverage skills. Also diving may be a factor in coverage that needs some testing.

I know powertackling on a CB isn't as effective as on SS for example.

Originally posted by o The Boss x
How? Speed and quickness would seem to help with changing direction and WRs invest in that.

Are you suggesting route elusiveness as it’s offensive counter? Bc if so they used to be much more prevalent. My WR has 95 route elusiveness and I haven’t watched him so couldn’t tell ya if it was worth lol

I believe this is correct based on prior info.

Cov Tech is linked to Route Elusiveness.

Cov tech can be used if the cb has low physicals, but counter argument is just use high physicals and it makes up for low cov tech usually. Now if a wr has a ton of route tech and elusiveness and uses head fake... good bye

Originally posted by dredgar
Cov tech can be used if the cb has low physicals, but counter argument is just use high physicals and it makes up for low cov tech usually. Now if a wr has a ton of route tech and elusiveness and uses head fake... good bye

I built a WR based upon Route Tech and Elusive with Gold Head Fake, and about every three games he would get an easy, wide open TD. Other than that, not that impressive.

Originally posted by atlbruce
I built a WR based upon Route Tech and Elusive with Gold Head Fake, and about every three games he would get an easy, wide open TD. Other than that, not that impressive.

thats the point we are all talking about. unless the offense is all pass so it happens often, most of us vets have decided route tech and route elusiveness is not that important.

at the same point if you get a wide open free touchdown every three games or so. if those happen in playoffs and championships (the most competitive games) is a big advantage espcially if all 3-4 wr/te on the team have this.

Originally posted by dredgar
thats the point we are all talking about. unless the offense is all pass so it happens often, most of us vets have decided route tech and route elusiveness is not that important.

at the same point if you get a wide open free touchdown every three games or so. if those happen in playoffs and championships (the most competitive games) is a big advantage espcially if all 3-4 wr/te on the team have this.

I can't see a team with all the WR built for Route Tech and Elusive even getting to the playoffs, but I hope someone tries it so we can see what happens!

Originally posted by atlbruce
I can't see a team with all the WR built for Route Tech and Elusive even getting to the playoffs, but I hope someone tries it so we can see what happens!

Back in the day when I ran an all pass offense (we would only lose 8 games at most a season) all of the wr/tes would have fairly high route tech and elusiveness then, but we still had high physicals at the same time. It was a specialized offense that didnt have to worry about any type of run aspect of the defense.

What all of this tells the newer guys is that coverage tech at this point in the game doesnt not have much effect.

Now what fixes this? maybe the give a 10% boost to coverage technique next season just to see if it becomes more effective. Now that would mean offenses would probably start doing worse, which means even lower scoring games so the game may or may not want that.

Originally posted by o The Boss x
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Isn’t head fake on like every WR

And don’t most routes include a ‘change of direction’

anymore most peoples WR only have around 55 route tech at most. unless its a star wr head fake isnt really used either. Now this is from my builds and the guys i have always been close with.

Originally posted by atlbruce
I can't see a team with all the WR built for Route Tech and Elusive even getting to the playoffs, but I hope someone tries it so we can see what happens!

I've ran Head Fake Possession WRs/TEs for years and still do... I've won a couple championships doing so.

Originally posted by dredgar
Now what fixes this? maybe the give a 10% boost to coverage technique next season just to see if it becomes more effective. Now that would mean offenses would probably start doing worse, which means even lower scoring games so the game may or may not want that.

Yeah, when something isn't very useful because the thing it helps against isn't used, making that something stronger doesn't fix anything. That just makes investing in it even less useful.

The "fix" would be either making route running stronger, or making coverage tech weaker so that leaving it at base isn't enough.

TBH even with max cover tech man coverage gets blown pretty often. It could probably stand a buff to corners in particular. If they have separate base value at least.

Originally posted by ThePh33P
TBH even with max cover tech man coverage gets blown pretty often. It could probably stand a buff to corners in particular. If they have separate base value at least.

I mean, yeah, if cover tech was what determined whether coverage gets blown or not, rather than being a very small part of the equation.

Well if it's a very small part of the equation then it's not relevant enough. As it's currently the only skill with the description of "keeping up in coverage". I've also seen the argument it's an almost unused skill while playing in zone. Which makes sense if we look at the description.

As a new player the points spent on both man awareness and coverage technique have felt unimpactful compared to deflection and interception which I believe have inherently low base values. At this point I've moved CPU FS players to my CB slots on my team for the higher base power tackling. I'm guessing higher pursuit as well as they seem pretty decent against the run.

Originally posted by atlbruce
I built a WR based upon Route Tech and Elusive with Gold Head Fake, and about every three games he would get an easy, wide open TD. Other than that, not that impressive.

Yeah I echo this. Cover Tech being worthless is probably because Route Tech and Elusive are worthless.