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Originally posted by McLovinCowboys
I agree that CBs need a lot more, but WRs needs some, lets say if CBs needs 80, WRs should need around 50.

Sadly there are no crazy sideline receptions in GLB, which would be the main area where WRs would need a lot of balance to be able to make the play, and falling off after catch is actually a good thing on GLB unlike in the NFL, so yeah receivers don't need a lot of balance.

Also CBs don't bump the WR here before the route, another situation where the WR would require balance.


The only problem with your post is the beginning where you pick out of thin air the numbers 80 and 50. It's like when bhall kept saying that Quickness should never be higher than Sprinting. It's a mental block not a mathematical one.

You need more Balance depending on two things:
1.) How may degrees your typical turns take and
2.) How often per game your making that turn.

CBs make 180 degree turns on virtually every passing play whereas the WRs are turning 45 degrees or less. A 180 degree turn is dramatically more difficult than a 45 degree turn. The difference isn't linear either. It's not 4x more difficult - it's more than that. Perhaps even 10X.

Look at the Coaches tape and how often a NFL QB is looking off the Safety waiting for him to even turn his hips slightly in the wrong direction. It's literally one of the biggest things a QB looks for. Correcting that slight turn causes the safety to be late on a deep pass.

You don't balance the position matchup be forcing every skill to fit some mental model in your head which feels nice.

WRs running Go's which require zero turning while matching up against a CB which has to do a 180 degree hip turn is a typical matchup. You balance the effectiveness of the play through other measures besides the Balance skill of each player.


Edited by Xars on Jan 13, 2018 22:15:50
Edited by Xars on Jan 13, 2018 22:15:33
Edited by Xars on Jan 13, 2018 22:15:11
 
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I used random numbers to have something to base off, i'm not saying that it should be this ratio or these numbers, but yeah maybe you are right and the importance of balance for CB and WR is not even close.

The problem is that CBs went from needing 0 balance to very high, it was a huge nerf to them.

And there are TONS of skills that WRs should need but in GLB don't need to invest at all, Route tech and route elusiveness for exemple, or CIT being way more effective then deflecting, 100 deflecting CBs should have an easy time against 50-70ish CIT receivers. Rec awr is arguably useless. They can get away with very low rec grip and carrying grip, footwork is also useless, as is vertical, diving and snap reaction. All skills that theoretically are very important for receivers.

So yeah, the major problem is that 1-balance is a bit overtuned, but changes were good, 2- that the majority of receiving skills are useless, they just need to be fast and quick, and with balance changes the discrepancy raised even more while compared to CBs, thus buffing passing a lot.

In the end, they need to do the same thing they did to balance for the other useless/unbalanced skills, and receivers have a lot, again:
-route tech
-route elu
-rec grip
-footwork
-snap reaction
-vertical
-diving

And also adress the other problems with passing game, like all long passing turning into undefensable hooks, CBs retard reactions, CBs not needing sprinting, etc...

 
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Originally posted by Xars


You need more Balance depending on two things:
1.) How may degrees your typical turns take and
2.) How often per game your making that turn.

CBs make 180 degree turns on virtually every passing play whereas the WRs are turning 45 degrees or less. A 180 degree turn is dramatically more difficult than a 45 degree turn. The difference isn't linear either. It's not 4x more difficult - it's more than that. Perhaps even 10X.

WRs running Go's which require zero turning while matching up against a CB which has to do a 180 degree hip turn is a typical matchup. You balance the effectiveness of the play through other measures besides the Balance skill of each player.




But there are hooks, and it doesn't seem like hooks routes were hurt at all, and they are running full speed, receivers should need a considerably good ammount of balance to reliably make a hook without losing balance.

edit: took off unrelated words
Edited by McLovinCowboys on Jan 13, 2018 23:08:20
 
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More and more it just sounds like I choose an awful time to participate in this game....
 
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Originally posted by Bretto007
More and more it just sounds like I choose an awful time to participate in this game....


I have to admit, the first few games came as quite a shock. it balances out(forgive the pun) to some degree because everyone's players are affected.

But if you built a team around highs-speed, low-balance players, it definitely sucks.
 
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Wow...just....

https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/514523/1849833
 
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I just watched The Academy take on KC Crowns, 2 of the best teams in Journeyman and both teams looked like they were back in rookie...
Edited by Galactic Empire on Jan 14, 2018 13:01:52
 
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Now this is how high balance looks on a WR!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMZ1e_zfj4&feature=youtu.be

 
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Originally posted by Bretto007
Now this is how high balance looks on a WR!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMZ1e_zfj4&feature=youtu.be



One obnoxious fanbase down, 2 to go (eagles and pats).

Edited by McLovinCowboys on Jan 15, 2018 10:27:26
 
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Originally posted by Galactic Empire
I just watched The Academy take on KC Crowns, 2 of the best teams in Journeyman and both teams looked like they were back in rookie...


I am unsure my all run team could even beat my rookie team.
 
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Originally posted by Bretto007
Now this is how high balance looks on a WR!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMZ1e_zfj4&feature=youtu.be



Yeah....that was fucking ridiculous. All the DB had to do was let him catch it and tackle him. Instead he goes for the big hit....yeah, I'm a big Saints fan.
 
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Originally posted by McLovinCowboys
One obnoxious fanbase down, 2 to go (eagles and pats).



Saints fan >>>> you
 
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With you, Go saints.How in the world did they not tackle him. I thought saints had the game.
 
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Originally posted by Galactic Empire
Saints fan >>>> you


I created this account so many years ago, i didn't even know which team i supported, i just loved DeMarcus Ware.
 
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Originally posted by McLovinCowboys
I created this account so many years ago, i didn't even know which team i supported, i just loved DeMarcus Ware.


You can always file a ticket to get your name changed.
 
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