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Originally posted by Detroit Leos
I get what you guys are trying to point at here but I found examples where BrkTk differences were not making a huge impact. Perhaps it has more to do with the YACON difference here as Rahl is +650 YACON in league play. Rahl's rec TD also came in league play while Barkley's came in a ladder game it seems as well.

yeah changed it for 7 TD difference instead. You might be on to something with the YACON though.

I was simply trying to find examples. There are many unknown weights that determine HOF/league standings. Based on the Jeter/Habana comparison I am guessing that those other factors are carrying weight in this scenario.

Originally posted by Detroit Leos
Based on the Jeter/Habana comparison I am guessing that those other factors are carrying weight in this scenario.

So based upon the one with a worse example of parallel stats, the one with much better parallel stats must be getting affected by those stats that are much more even to eachother? Not to mention one is from season 24 and the weights may have been tweaked since then? (not that I think they have been, you can never assume they were not though)


Okay, cool. That's a good way to look at things.

What is the difference between Scooby-Doo and Hammond in the following league?

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/league/227

Hammond has more Brktk, TDs, 20 more rushing yards, more 1st downs, +200 YACON, more rec yards and is below Scooby-Doo in the league ranking. Clearly other factors are at play. Maybe performances against quality teams carry more weight? I have no explanation for that one.

Basically, we are criticizing and making assumptions that Brktk is carrying so much more weight when we have no idea what other factors are being weighted. At this point, we could jump all over many different examples and get nowhere. I am not sure that you can prove that Brktk carries so much more weight than other stats and unless the Devs drop their scoring formula on us, it is hard to criticize when examples can be found that may show that any certain stat is possibly carrying more or less weight. The best time to evaluate stats comparative to HOF rankings would be after a single game probably with hopes that you could find multiple examples that were extremely close in various stats.

I think I thought of a way to figure out some info on this topic... Going to hammer on some math and explain in a bit.

Ok... So what I have been doing tonight is mainly comparing values shown for players in league/HOF rankings. The order that stats show up varies based upon their value with the left value being the greatest and the 5th shown value being the 5th strongest value for any given player. By comparing many different players with various stats higher or lower based on what is shown I firmly believe that the following is true.

1 rush TD = 75 rush yards
1 rec TD = 75 rec yards
1 Brktk = 6 yards rec/rush

I intend to figure out YAC/YACON values comparative to these next. I currently have found that 1 YAC < 1 rec/rush yard but it may not be by much. I have not done much digging on YACON yet. My laptop battery died so I will try to plug away a bit more later this week. Feel free to plug in these numbers on ranking pages though and you will see that the values hold their place.

Edit: Rec stats may be unequal to rush stats.

I know that in S26 this is where I was getting my comparison:

1. Landslide: 168 TD, 11641.5 YDS, 10.2 AVG, 576 BRTK, 525 RECYD
4. Bob Murdoch II: 174 TD, 11638.5 YDS, 11 AVG, 430 BRTK, 233 RECYD

This is where I was getting that broken tackles was carrying too much weight in comparisons to yards and TDs.

Originally posted by Myrik_Justiciar
I know that in S26 this is where I was getting my comparison:

1. Landslide: 168 TD, 11641.5 YDS, 10.2 AVG, 576 BRTK, 525 RECYD
4. Bob Murdoch II: 174 TD, 11638.5 YDS, 11 AVG, 430 BRTK, 233 RECYD

146 extra broken tackles was a sizable difference. That would be equal to adding 876 rushing yards to Landslide's cause while already having 300 more rec yards. Meanwhile, the 6 rushing TD advantage would only bump Murdock the equivalent of 450 more rushing yards. I am currently trying to convert values to yards. Broken tackles and the rec yards were big differences there though.

You guys aren't accounting for strength of schedule. It's not just pure stats, it's about who you got those stats against and what they were ranked at that time.

Originally posted by Rob.
You guys aren't accounting for strength of schedule. It's not just pure stats, it's about who you got those stats against and what they were ranked at that time.

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Originally posted by Rob.
You guys aren't accounting for strength of schedule. It's not just pure stats, it's about who you got those stats against and what they were ranked at that time.

For sure, there are other factors so my numbers are not going to be exact, but they should be ballpark. There will be some exceptions found when viewing HOF stats due to broken tackles on STs that a player may have gotten or other variables. The math is just to help get a loose guideline.

Right now, I am going to say that:

1 Rec TD = 1 Rush TD = 75 Rush Yards = 75 Rec yards although I have seen an instance where 68.5 RecYd > 1 RecTD. I also have to pull from various position groups which may be weighted slightly differently.

I also believe that 1 rec/rush yard = 1 1stDn roughly. (The 1stDn may carry slightly more or less weight than a yard)

1 BrkTk = 6 rush yards roughly as well.

YAC is a bit tricky currently. There are instances where it seems to carry the same weight as rushing yards like 163 YAC > 153.5 RuYd (I believe this is due to rec stats being clustered as opposed to rushing in this case) and 126.5 RecYd > 155.5 YAC. 94 1stDN is also > 96.5 YAC. I am currently guessing that:

3 YAC = 2 Rec Yards or 1 YAC = 2/3 of a rec/rush yard.

I have also seen 1 BrkTk > 9.21 YACON which leads me to believe that YACON carries similar weight as YAC. So I would venture to guess that:

3 YACON = 2 Rush Yards or 1 YACON = 2/3 Rush yard.

Once again, these are all rough numbers and do not apply to every single HOF stat listing (likely due to stat clusters) but should be good ballpark measurements I believe.

It also looks like:

1 Cake = 4-5 Yards rec/rush roughly.

I also think quality of competition may factor in so 75 rush yds vs a cpu < 75 rush yds vs ladder #1

How far does the Scout tool go back? I know it used to rate how strong your schedule was.