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Originally posted by canterob
With this though, you are still allowing the system to choose a Random distance before your Priorities kick in.


Are you positive about that? I did it last season just to do a mock defense on another team so the oc on Detroit could test out some offensive plays. I had short medium long and even zone plays and set the priorities some plays were 5 the rest were 1-2 priority and the percentages were almost exactly on par with the priority setup regardless of distance.Originally posted by canterob
With this though, you are still allowing the system to choose a Random distance before your Priorities kick in.


Now if all the plays were set at 5 priority and tactics were set at 0 then yes I can see distance being pulled random. But I am almost positive if set at 0 and all you did was set priorities then priorities are the first to go.
Edited by SithLord on Oct 28, 2016 10:45:39
 
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I'm not saying Rob. Is incorrect. He knows more than most here as far as playbook and tactics setup. But I 100% disagree in this part. Tactics set at 0 and set up the plays by priority on how you want them fired does work. I did it last season 3 times as a matter of fact for a mock defense setup. You just can't keep keep all the plays at 5 or it will pull randomly like you said.
 
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Originally posted by SithLord
Are you positive about that? I did it last season just to do a mock defense on another team so the oc on Detroit could test out some offensive plays. I had short medium long and even zone plays and set the priorities some plays were 5 the rest were 1-2 priority and the percentages were almost exactly on par with the priority setup regardless of distance.


That could have worked out though to you having matching plays that are called "medium" "short" or "Long". The priorities won't kick in till after it's gone through the tactics and pulled out the plays that match what you want to use from there.
 
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Originally posted by canterob
That could have worked out though to you having matching plays that are called "medium" "short" or "Long". The priorities won't kick in till after it's gone through the tactics and pulled out the plays that match what you want to use from there.


That's the thing I was trying to say though, they were not matching distances. I had some long set at 5, some short set at 5. Then others set at 1-2. Those long and short set at 5 fired the way I wanted them to, and the others fired at a much lower %
Edited by SithLord on Oct 28, 2016 10:52:24
 
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Originally posted by SithLord
I'm not saying Rob. Is incorrect. He knows more than most here as far as playbook and tactics setup. But I 100% disagree in this part. Tactics set at 0 and set up the plays by priority on how you want them fired does work. I did it last season 3 times as a matter of fact for a mock defense setup. You just can't keep keep all the plays at 5 or it will pull randomly like you said.


You could certainly be correct as well. I think this is where all the frustrations come, is that nobody knows for 100% guarantee what the exact process is, but that process has been my most thorough process to follow. Of course everyone has their own and what works or doesn't. But this is the only reason I can discover that it went against Txtsteve's priorities and "Blitz" tactics set up.
 
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Originally posted by SithLord
That's the thing I was trying to say though, they were not matching distances. I had some long set at 5, some short set at 5. Then others set at 1-2. Those long and short set at 5 fired the way I wanted them to, and the others fired at a lower %


O, I believe you. It's the unknown aspect still that none of will be able to fully identify and with them changing things with the game and codes. I wouldn't be surprised if things have changed from season to season as to how it chooses, while they are still resolving everything and the bugs.
 
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Originally posted by canterob
You could certainly be correct as well. I think this is where all the frustrations come, is that nobody knows for 100% guarantee what the exact process is, but that process has been my most thorough process to follow. Of course everyone has their own and what works or doesn't. But this is the only reason I can discover that it went against Txtsteve's priorities and "Blitz" tactics set up.


Agreed, the tactic list of priorities can be a frustrating monster to get in order Lol. After frustrating seasons at the beginning I finally got everything to fire the way I've wanted.
 
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Originally posted by canterob
O, I believe you. It's the unknown aspect still that none of will be able to fully identify and with them changing things with the game and codes. I wouldn't be surprised if things have changed from season to season as to how it chooses, while they are still resolving everything and the bugs.


Yeah agree with this fully. So many things have changed over time.
Edited by SithLord on Oct 28, 2016 10:55:36
 
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And i really hate typing from my phone lmao. Always end up editing from auto corrections haha.
 
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The D Tactics Matrix is:

Distance (Pass Short, Med, Long) & Direction (Inside & Outside). Those 5 are the first cut. TxSteve: you didn't mention those settings in the OP. (sorry if you listed later I didn't read all the posts)

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Blitz

Based on what your said, if you were 100% Zone it would have worked. Huge caveat: what you did in the first step makes a huge difference.

 
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I did say.

all 0's everywhere except 100 for blitz
 
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Originally posted by TxSteve
I'm sure someone has experimented enough to know the answer - and has probably posted it in the forums before.

I screwed up tactics today.

Against 3 WR sets - I wanted to run a zone blitz play. My play book contained only 2 plays: a non blitzing man play -- and a zone blitz.

My tactics were 0% zone / 100% blitz

The computer must have found that very confusing -- because there was no man blitz play available. So does anyone know what it does in that situation?

The result was:
28 man non blitzes
8 zone blitzes

I'm not complaining - because it was my mistake -- but what is the tactic criteria? Because it has to give something priority -- or throw out the conflicting tactics...I'd expect it to be either 100%/0% man run -- or 0%/100% zone blitz run -- or something close to 50%/50%.

Instead it was 77%/23%

Anyone know?


Actually you didn't. Implied perhaps, but not stated.

Ok so, with all zeros for Distance & Direction, then neither play gets selected nor excluded.

So with both plays in the pool, if you went 100% Zone the zone blitz would have fired every time. The Man/Zone difference takes precedent over the Blitz tag.

Edited by Xars on Oct 28, 2016 15:32:24
 
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Originally posted by TxSteve
good question - I should have included:

man non blitz was a 1 priority
zone blitz was a 5 priority


I'm with you - I'd have expected my error to lead to 100% man non blitz -- instead it was only 77% -- so I must be missing something


Originally posted by TxSteve
another good question.

I very rarely mess with play distances in my defensive tactics. All zero.


 
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The Defensive Matrix is not good IMO, I hate it and I'm a defensive minded guy on this game. SithLord make's good points...I personally do not use the tactics matrix, I always use priorities pretty similar to what he mentioned.

I really wish they had a better system for picking defense.
Edited by Myrik_Justiciar on Oct 29, 2016 09:35:10
 
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