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Originally posted by HayRow
lets say you just did ZEB every play, I'm saying even if that LB is lined up in man vs a TE, you make him a run stopping build. The only pass defense you rely on are the 2 S*Blitz LBs getting to the QB.

Which is great, until said team starts throwing quick TE dumps (Who is absolutely demolishing your Run stop LB in Coverage).

Originally posted by HayRow
lets say you just did ZEB every play, I'm saying even if that LB is lined up in man vs a TE, you make him a run stopping build. The only pass defense you rely on are the 2 S*Blitz LBs getting to the QB.

Would probably work in Rookie / Soph, but eventually you would probably prefer the LILB to be a coverage guy since after rookie the QBs start dealing better with pressure. You will have a run stopping SS or LB covering the TE which could be recipe for disaster. Also given that you will be working with very limited number of plays - your opponent could probably use specific outside runs to really punish you for ZEB- or blitz-spamming.

Sounds like an interesting idea but might be tough to DC (or very easy, depending on how you look at it). SACKS has around a 25% sack rate using 3-3-5 Over Will Blitz with a S* blitzing LB - not sure how much higher you'd get it using ZEB and 2 S* blitzing LBs.

Originally posted by HayRow
lets say you just did ZEB every play, I'm saying even if that LB is lined up in man vs a TE, you make him a run stopping build. The only pass defense you rely on are the 2 S*Blitz LBs getting to the QB.

I don't think that would work with ZEB. The LILB is already out of position against the TE. He scrambles to cover the ground necessary to get on top of the TE, which hurts his coverage rolls. TE routes breaking in become extra problematic as the LILB moving the wrong way now has to pass a cover tech roll, and have enough physicals to go from facing the wrong direction to the right one whereas the TE just needs to move slightly to the left. End result is that the TE often makes wide open uncontested catching rolls that aren't even getting a "defender is nearby" obstruction stuff.

I think you need more pressure faster against the QB.

ROLB has the easiest path, since the closest blocker to him is the LT. The LOLB has a harder path since the closest "blocker" isn't the RT, it's the TE. So he bows outward a smidge before turning the corner, slows him down. If the HB picks up the ROLB first, then the LOLB has to beat the QB throw. Faster TE's, let's say especially a S* TE, would hit depth on TE Post routes too quickly.

ROLB path vs LOLB path is why Over Will is a better blitz than Under Sam.

Originally posted by Absolut Zero
I don't think that would work with ZEB. The LILB is already out of position against the TE. He scrambles to cover the ground necessary to get on top of the TE, which hurts his coverage rolls. TE routes breaking in become extra problematic as the LILB moving the wrong way now has to pass a cover tech roll, and have enough physicals to go from facing the wrong direction to the right one whereas the TE just needs to move slightly to the left. End result is that the TE often makes wide open uncontested catching rolls that aren't even getting a "defender is nearby" obstruction stuff.

I think you need more pressure faster against the QB.

ROLB has the easiest path, since the closest blocker to him is the LT. The LOLB has a harder path since the closest "blocker" isn't the RT, it's the TE. So he bows outward a smidge before turning the corner, slows him down. If the HB picks up the ROLB first, then the LOLB has to beat the QB throw. Faster TE's, let's say especially a S* TE, would hit depth on TE Post routes too quickly.

ROLB path vs LOLB path is why Over Will is a better blitz than Under Sam.

these run build LBs would have pretty good physicals (minus prob foot) just no cov tech or deflection. I think they would be in the general vicinity quite often.

Originally posted by FairForever
Would probably work in Rookie / Soph, but eventually you would probably prefer the LILB to be a coverage guy since after rookie the QBs start dealing better with pressure. You will have a run stopping SS or LB covering the TE which could be recipe for disaster. Also given that you will be working with very limited number of plays - your opponent could probably use specific outside runs to really punish you for ZEB- or blitz-spamming.

Sounds like an interesting idea but might be tough to DC (or very easy, depending on how you look at it). SACKS has around a 25% sack rate using 3-3-5 Over Will Blitz with a S* blitzing LB - not sure how much higher you'd get it using ZEB and 2 S* blitzing LBs.

I'm wondering if the whole defense besides those 2 are built for the run, then would that shut it down regardless of the run call. I mean DBs would be revcaking the WRs everywhere, and blocks would be tough to hold.

Originally posted by HayRow
I mean DBs would be revcaking the WRs everywhere, and blocks would be tough to hold.

Depends on the WRs

SB Spread would be a fairly problematic formation for it to defend.

This isn't even a unique idea, it's just dumb

Anybody tried building a high pass rush tech or pass rush power LB?

Originally posted by Galactic Empire
Anybody tried building a high pass rush tech or pass rush power LB?

Why? If they engage in a block, it's already too late.

Originally posted by Cuivienen
Why? If they engage in a block, it's already too late.

Yep.

Originally posted by Cuivienen
Why? If they engage in a block, it's already too late.

Is it that cut and dried?

Say you had a LB that was going to blitz every play, or almost every play-- so you built him more like a DE than like a regular LB, including Spin Cycle?

He wouldn't be my cup of tea to coach or to build, but couldn't a LB like that work as a really great blitzing LB, who'd often get much easier matchups to beat the block of than a DE gets, as the O-line would be busy blocking the actual D-linemen?

Originally posted by Nyria
Is it that cut and dried?

Say you had a LB that was going to blitz every play, or almost every play-- so you built him more like a DE than like a regular LB, including Spin Cycle?

He wouldn't be my cup of tea to coach or to build, but couldn't a LB like that work as a really great blitzing LB, who'd often get much easier matchups to beat the block of than a DE gets, as the O-line would be busy blocking the actual D-linemen?

It's a longer path to the QB than the DE already has. You can build a 100 sprint LB that comes in unblocked on every play and the QB will still avoid the sack most of the time if they have the right plays and that's not even accounting for a LB that has to break a block. I guess if you could still manage to make him at maximum speed and didn't need him at all in the run game you could try pass tech/spin cycle. QB's are just really good at avoiding sacks at upper levels though. http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/246717/3643407

Tried it when I first started and Spin Cycle LB's do not work well at all... only function as a back up for LB or DE positions if your short on cap room and need him to be utility.

As others say, Spin Cycle LB's are a waste of SP and AP.

Watch Destro at higher tiers.

https://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/175522

End with gold first step, TV and 67 pass rush power.