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Originally posted by Galactic Empire
Balanced team/lean run

1 S* lean run center
2 lean run pulling guards
1 lean run (power) guard
2 lean run (power) tackles
1 lean run pulling tackle

They all have around 45 pass block tech and pass block awareness...no pass block power. Too expensive to have a true combo O-Linemen..

If this is for a balanced team, that's not going to work out. 45 pass block tech will get you slaughtered. That needs to be upped a lot. For reference, 40-45 PBT is decent for a Sophomore/Early-Seasoned balanced line. It needs to be way higher than that once players get Gold Spin Cycle.

For a balanced team, if I wanted a S* O-Lineman, I would not do a S* Center either. What formations are you primarily going to be using? If there's a heavy amount of passing from the 3WR formation, I'd consider a S* RT, or possibly a S* RG with enough footwork/awareness/speed/etc to stop a blitzing LB. But that's more theoretical. I'd definitely prefer a S* RT right now. The best pass blocker on the o-line should be the RT.

Originally posted by Absolut Zero
If this is for a balanced team, that's not going to work out. 45 pass block tech will get you slaughtered. That needs to be upped a lot. For reference, 40-45 PBT is decent for a Sophomore/Early-Seasoned balanced line. It needs to be way higher than that once players get Gold Spin Cycle.

For a balanced team, if I wanted a S* O-Lineman, I would not do a S* Center either. What formations are you primarily going to be using? If there's a heavy amount of passing from the 3WR formation, I'd consider a S* RT, or possibly a S* RG with enough footwork/awareness/speed/etc to stop a blitzing LB. But that's more theoretical. I'd definitely prefer a S* RT right now. The best pass blocker on the o-line should be the RT.

Disagree, Swampcats line averages around 42 Pass Block Tech and have surrendered a whopping 21 sacks in 29 games in JMan, you can pass behind a predominantly run blocking line with effectiveness, but try running behind a pass blocking line, and balancing your linemen is only going to make them below average run and pass blockers IMHO

Originally posted by Jagat0r
Disagree, Swampcats line averages around 42 Pass Block Tech and have surrendered a whopping 21 sacks in 29 games in JMan, you can pass behind a predominantly run blocking line with effectiveness, but try running behind a pass blocking line, and balancing your linemen is only going to make them below average run and pass blockers IMHO

Could be formational differences along with opponent ones? HAHA's struggled most against teams like Salty, that run 4 DL that all have Silver (I think Gold now) Spin Cycle. Their DT's were blowing me up at the end of Sophomore when my Guards only had 35 PBT.

Passing out of 2WR increases the chance the FB remains inside to pass block. 3WR passing is a whole other animal with what you want your DL and OL to do. 4WR passing though, you need higher PBT than 45ish.

Just checked your game against No Name, since they've got a S* speed ROLB, they only really blitzed twice the entire game. Most of their DL doesn't seem built for Spin Cycles, which makes lack of PBT easier.

Originally posted by Absolut Zero
Could be formational differences along with opponent ones? HAHA's struggled most against teams like Salty, that run 4 DL that all have Silver (I think Gold now) Spin Cycle. Their DT's were blowing me up at the end of Sophomore when my Guards only had 35 PBT.

Passing out of 2WR increases the chance the FB remains inside to pass block. 3WR passing is a whole other animal with what you want your DL and OL to do. 4WR passing though, you need higher PBT than 45ish.

Just checked your game against No Name, since they've got a S* speed ROLB, they only really blitzed twice the entire game. Most of their DL doesn't seem built for Spin Cycles, which makes lack of PBT easier.

Well yes I would agree passing out of 4WR places the entire load on the O-Linemen, but you also have to consider receiver routes and how long the QB has to hold the ball in all formations. Its a key with any offense you call the right plays for your personnel, and as I keep trying to say there is more than 1 right way to do things in this game.

Originally posted by Absolut Zero
If this is for a balanced team, that's not going to work out. 45 pass block tech will get you slaughtered. That needs to be upped a lot. For reference, 40-45 PBT is decent for a Sophomore/Early-Seasoned balanced line. It needs to be way higher than that once players get Gold Spin Cycle.

For a balanced team, if I wanted a S* O-Lineman, I would not do a S* Center either. What formations are you primarily going to be using? If there's a heavy amount of passing from the 3WR formation, I'd consider a S* RT, or possibly a S* RG with enough footwork/awareness/speed/etc to stop a blitzing LB. But that's more theoretical. I'd definitely prefer a S* RT right now. The best pass blocker on the o-line should be the RT.

I'd have to agree on 45 PBT being way too low for any Passing. Hell my LZ Boys OLine lose lots of blocks with high 70 PBT. Look at how often Leverage triggers on my guys.

And that's another thing. The best SA for your Balanced OLine is Leverage. It triggers on a losing block roll and is powered by the Tech skill which helps against Spin Cycle. But you need high PBT to get Leverage to fire often on block losses.

In the end, you have to target higher PBT at Vet.

Originally posted by Absolut Zero
If this is for a balanced team, that's not going to work out. 45 pass block tech will get you slaughtered. That needs to be upped a lot. For reference, 40-45 PBT is decent for a Sophomore/Early-Seasoned balanced line. It needs to be way higher than that once players get Gold Spin Cycle.

For a balanced team, if I wanted a S* O-Lineman, I would not do a S* Center either. What formations are you primarily going to be using? If there's a heavy amount of passing from the 3WR formation, I'd consider a S* RT, or possibly a S* RG with enough footwork/awareness/speed/etc to stop a blitzing LB. But that's more theoretical. I'd definitely prefer a S* RT right now. The best pass blocker on the o-line should be the RT.

Don't you mean LT?

Originally posted by Absolut Zero
Could be formational differences along with opponent ones? HAHA's struggled most against teams like Salty, that run 4 DL that all have Silver (I think Gold now) Spin Cycle. Their DT's were blowing me up at the end of Sophomore when my Guards only had 35 PBT.

Passing out of 2WR increases the chance the FB remains inside to pass block. 3WR passing is a whole other animal with what you want your DL and OL to do. 4WR passing though, you need higher PBT than 45ish.

Just checked your game against No Name, since they've got a S* speed ROLB, they only really blitzed twice the entire game. Most of their DL doesn't seem built for Spin Cycles, which makes lack of PBT easier.

Well I'll be passing out of 1 WR, 2 WR and some 3 WR sets, so my pass blocking at 45 should be sufficient. And they won't be running long routes.

Originally posted by Xars
I'd have to agree on 45 PBT being way too low for any Passing. Hell my LZ Boys OLine lose lots of blocks with high 70 PBT. Look at how often Leverage triggers on my guys.




And you also have 0 threat of a run game so the opponents will always play pass rushers. I will be mainly running team.

Originally posted by Galactic Empire
Don't you mean LT?

Not in the way GLB pass blocks. Against something like Over Will, the pressure isn't coming from the DE against the LT, it's coming from the unblocked ROLB. So either a RB picks him up or a RG with really good awareness/physicals. For that blitz, the LT isn't relevant. So the RT becomes the most important pass blocker.

Different blitzes might change things around though.

Originally posted by Galactic Empire
And you also have 0 threat of a run game so the opponents will always play pass rushers. I will be mainly running team.

Umm, that's not the issue. Look at this guy DE Combo: http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/97515

He's got a 7-1 cake ratio and leads my team in Sacks - over my pure Pass Rush DE.

He gets a lot of sacks from the LDE beating RTs. That's why AZ says:

Originally posted by Absolut Zero
The best pass blocker on the o-line should be the RT.

The Speed RO on Over Will pushes the QB to slide in the pocket towards the RT/LDE.

Whoever up voted your post doesn't know what they are talking about. My comments weren't wrong because of my LZ Boys. It's about Pass Protection.

You'll go up against Combo DEs all the time and Pure Pass DEs (http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/97512) in obvious Passing situations.

They are going to eat your 45 PBT guys alive.

Originally posted by Galactic Empire
And they won't be running long routes.

Guess what, you have to. Until Short Passing comp% gets buffed, you'll be running Medium and Long Pass plays even on 3rd and 3. Because the Short plays don't have high enough comp% and too often you'll make a 2yd catch missing out on the First Down.

That's how Passing works.

Again, you really need more than 45 PBT.

Because God help your QB if you ever get into 3rd and 11+ and try to Pass. He's going to need a Hospital bed.

Good thing he will have 55 footwork, 65 quickness, 65 speed, 70 pocket awareness, scrambling frequency set to always, and Gold Tuck and Run!

Originally posted by Xars
Guess what, you have to. Until Short Passing comp% gets buffed, you'll be running Medium and Long Pass plays even on 3rd and 3. Because the Short plays don't have high enough comp% and too often you'll make a 2yd catch missing out on the First Down.

That's how Passing works.

Again, you really need more than 45 PBT.

Because God help your QB if you ever get into 3rd and 11+ and try to Pass. He's going to need a Hospital bed.

Because his way is the only way and it cant be done any other way

Kinda a silly conversation. "Need" certain "stats" is just kinda a dumb representation of things.

Really all depends on playcalling. You run long developing plays and 45 PBT is gonna suck. You don't and you will still thrive. My run block oline produced the second best QB in the league a couple seasons back. My all pass block oline producing similar. It is what it is.

Originally posted by bhall43
Kinda a silly conversation. "Need" certain "stats" is just kinda a dumb representation of things.

Really all depends on playcalling. You run long developing plays and 45 PBT is gonna suck. You don't and you will still thrive. My run block oline produced the second best QB in the league a couple seasons back. My all pass block oline producing similar. It is what it is.

AGREE x 100
The simple fact is there is more than one way to skin a cat folks.

Originally posted by Galactic Empire
Good thing he will have 55 footwork, 65 quickness, 65 speed, 70 pocket awareness, scrambling frequency set to always, and Gold Tuck and Run!

I know you like the idea of all this, but he's just not going to scramble all that well.

Your QB is going to be chased out of the pocket by a Speed RO on a Over Will Blitz call. Assuming the RT wins the LDE battle and you don't slide into a sack, your 65 Quickness/ 65 Speed QB is being chased by a 90 Quickness/ 90 Sprinting RO who is already at top speed.

You won't be successful. You might turn a 6 yard sack into a 3 yard sack, but on average that's it.

Look at how little YAC Belgarion gets. He's at 87 Quickness/ 83 Sprinting and can't get away from CBs who have equivalent or less Quickness and Sprinting than him. He has a skill value edge and can't get away from the tackle. Your QB is going to have a skill value deficit of 25 points and starting from a low value Footwork pocket slide.

And you think your QB is going to out scramble/get away from the 90/90 Speed RO's that are being built????