What about the chem overhaul? Thats the thing I see wrong with resetted elo (still best option). But now you could free fall if you needed to overhaul roster. Especially in vet this would punnish teams that rather stay in vet than reset
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Tdiddy, you're literally the only person that wants it to work like it did at this point.
It was boring as hell. If you go 27-3 again, its very probable you can still finish #1.
It was boring as hell. If you go 27-3 again, its very probable you can still finish #1.
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Originally posted by Galithor
Tdiddy, you're literally the only person that wants it to work like it did at this point.
I don't want it to work like it did in the past, I just don't want a total reset. K value and ELO should have been altered definitely, but a total reset is a HUGE change to ladder, and I think would be a mistake. It gives zilch to the teams that have been playing hard in the past, and a few bad high&low ladder match-ups early season could cause catastrophic results, like a ground assault or game against TT.
If I had any idea this was in the works, I probably would have thrown the last 4 or 5 ladder matches last season just to try stuff, knowing it wasn't going to affect our ranking in the future.
Tdiddy, you're literally the only person that wants it to work like it did at this point.
I don't want it to work like it did in the past, I just don't want a total reset. K value and ELO should have been altered definitely, but a total reset is a HUGE change to ladder, and I think would be a mistake. It gives zilch to the teams that have been playing hard in the past, and a few bad high&low ladder match-ups early season could cause catastrophic results, like a ground assault or game against TT.
If I had any idea this was in the works, I probably would have thrown the last 4 or 5 ladder matches last season just to try stuff, knowing it wasn't going to affect our ranking in the future.
Edited by TDiddy8701 on May 12, 2015 04:37:12
Parab00n
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Originally posted by TDiddy8701
I don't want it to work like it did in the past, I just don't want a total reset. K value and ELO should have been altered definitely, but a total reset is a HUGE change to ladder, and I think would be a mistake. It gives zilch to the teams that have been playing hard in the past, and a few bad high&low ladder match-ups early season could cause catastrophic results, like a ground assault or game against TT.
If I had any idea this was in the works, I probably would have thrown the last 4 or 5 ladder matches last season just to try stuff, knowing it wasn't going to affect our ranking in the future.
Where are you getting this game against Ground Assault is going to be catastrophic? They are a Vet team and will start with the same ELO as everyone else in Vet. Lets be honest, you thought you had an easy #1 ladder trophy locked up and now you are pissed that you are actually going to have to earn it.
I don't want it to work like it did in the past, I just don't want a total reset. K value and ELO should have been altered definitely, but a total reset is a HUGE change to ladder, and I think would be a mistake. It gives zilch to the teams that have been playing hard in the past, and a few bad high&low ladder match-ups early season could cause catastrophic results, like a ground assault or game against TT.
If I had any idea this was in the works, I probably would have thrown the last 4 or 5 ladder matches last season just to try stuff, knowing it wasn't going to affect our ranking in the future.
Where are you getting this game against Ground Assault is going to be catastrophic? They are a Vet team and will start with the same ELO as everyone else in Vet. Lets be honest, you thought you had an easy #1 ladder trophy locked up and now you are pissed that you are actually going to have to earn it.
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with ELO reset, losing to a very good team outside of the top 10 will really do a number on your ranking, like logzilla (who I just got thrown into a division with) or ground assault, who are top 5-8ish right now. If I lose something like 8 or 10 games next season and #2 loses like 5 and beats us H2H, they absolutely should be ranked over us... I honestly don't want #1 unless I deserve it. This season, I deserved #2, and I think we were clearly the 2nd best team in vet.
resetting ELO will greatly help teams playing bad high ranked teams over good teams in the teens, so luck of the draw on matchups early on will matter more than it ever has... you think that's fair?
K/ELO absolutely needed an overhaul, but a reset is nothing less than the mods being lazy
resetting ELO will greatly help teams playing bad high ranked teams over good teams in the teens, so luck of the draw on matchups early on will matter more than it ever has... you think that's fair?
K/ELO absolutely needed an overhaul, but a reset is nothing less than the mods being lazy
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Parab00n
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Originally posted by TDiddy8701
with ELO reset, losing to a very good team outside of the top 10 will really do a number on your ranking, like logzilla (who I just got thrown into a division with) or ground assault, who are top 5-8ish right now
resetting ELO will greatly help teams playing bad high ranked teams over good teams in the teens, so luck of the draw on matchups early on will matter more than it ever has... you think that's fair?
Rankings don't matter, you get your ELO based off your opponents ELO. It's very funny that the only person who didn't want this change was the only person who was going to benefit from the old system.
with ELO reset, losing to a very good team outside of the top 10 will really do a number on your ranking, like logzilla (who I just got thrown into a division with) or ground assault, who are top 5-8ish right now
resetting ELO will greatly help teams playing bad high ranked teams over good teams in the teens, so luck of the draw on matchups early on will matter more than it ever has... you think that's fair?
Rankings don't matter, you get your ELO based off your opponents ELO. It's very funny that the only person who didn't want this change was the only person who was going to benefit from the old system.
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If you honestly think a seasonly ELO reset is a good fix instead of a lazy/quick fix, I feel bad for you.
This isn't in-depth, in-game coding that is required... mods should make some adjustments to K value and ELO and go from there, a reset is nothing short of a lackadaisical move.
If this actually happens, there is absolutely zero motivation for teams to not reset every single time they finish their first vet season
This isn't in-depth, in-game coding that is required... mods should make some adjustments to K value and ELO and go from there, a reset is nothing short of a lackadaisical move.
If this actually happens, there is absolutely zero motivation for teams to not reset every single time they finish their first vet season
Edited by TDiddy8701 on May 12, 2015 05:00:57
Reset idea was actually based on suggestions from users, if I understand correctly. It's probably not perfect, but a lot of folks were on board with the idea from what I was told (I haven't seen the original suggestion first hand). It sort of cleans up the ladder and makes it a true ladder for each season instead of giving one team a head start even if they gut or whatever. The way ELO works, the cream will tend to rise to the top no matter who you play.
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Here are the issues a total reset causes...
- Luck of the draw in ladder matchups will matter more than ever (ex #2 vs a bad/cpu #3 vs #2 vs a very good #18). A ELO reset would also need a ladder matchup system improvement.
- no motivation for teams to continually stay in vet
- more teams will tank end of season and WILL affect competitiveness of the game late season, knowing their final season rankings won't affect them in the future. I probably would have tanked the last few ladder games this last season just to mess with stuff, if I had known this was going to be a change. In the future, I won't try at all in the ladder games late season, not to give away anything for playoff games
- Teams in bad leagues/divisions with CPU teams will be ranked much higher than they should
i can go on...
- Luck of the draw in ladder matchups will matter more than ever (ex #2 vs a bad/cpu #3 vs #2 vs a very good #18). A ELO reset would also need a ladder matchup system improvement.
- no motivation for teams to continually stay in vet
- more teams will tank end of season and WILL affect competitiveness of the game late season, knowing their final season rankings won't affect them in the future. I probably would have tanked the last few ladder games this last season just to mess with stuff, if I had known this was going to be a change. In the future, I won't try at all in the ladder games late season, not to give away anything for playoff games
- Teams in bad leagues/divisions with CPU teams will be ranked much higher than they should
i can go on...
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Parab00n
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Originally posted by Bort
Reset idea was actually based on suggestions from users, if I understand correctly. It's probably not perfect, but a lot of folks were on board with the idea from what I was told (I haven't seen the original suggestion first hand). It sort of cleans up the ladder and makes it a true ladder for each season instead of giving one team a head start even if they gut or whatever. The way ELO works, the cream will tend to rise to the top no matter who you play.
It absolutely was a request by most of the active forum users, the only person against it was Tdiddy if I remember correctly.
Reset idea was actually based on suggestions from users, if I understand correctly. It's probably not perfect, but a lot of folks were on board with the idea from what I was told (I haven't seen the original suggestion first hand). It sort of cleans up the ladder and makes it a true ladder for each season instead of giving one team a head start even if they gut or whatever. The way ELO works, the cream will tend to rise to the top no matter who you play.
It absolutely was a request by most of the active forum users, the only person against it was Tdiddy if I remember correctly.
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Originally posted by Parab00n
It absolutely was a request by most of the active forum users
That's a load of BS... most?
MOST wanted a definite change to ELO/K (me included)... FEW wanted a total reset
It absolutely was a request by most of the active forum users
That's a load of BS... most?
MOST wanted a definite change to ELO/K (me included)... FEW wanted a total reset
Edited by TDiddy8701 on May 12, 2015 05:18:52
Tdiddy - representing the #1 position with class already.....
YAY BORT: that change is GREAT for the game and keeps things competitive and interesting.
Diddy - if your team is the best team this season (which they might very well be since you've been one of the best the past couple) you will win the ladder spot...no question under this new system.
Embrace the competition and go out there and show you are the best.
YAY BORT: that change is GREAT for the game and keeps things competitive and interesting.
Diddy - if your team is the best team this season (which they might very well be since you've been one of the best the past couple) you will win the ladder spot...no question under this new system.
Embrace the competition and go out there and show you are the best.
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Reset sounds a bit brutal for long term teams, a decay is probably a better long term solution so that established teams get some extra clout without making it impossible to close the gap.
Edited by USC_Trojans on May 12, 2015 05:41:51
Galithor
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The reset each season is the most realistic setup in any event. Keeping the elo score in between seasons when much change occurs hasn't ever made sense. This isn't chess where we're comparing career records and an undetermined number or matches. We have defined start and end points to each individual season. Then the offseason happens where rosters change and the sim gets updated. All of which can impact the strength of each team.
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Originally posted by Galithor
The reset each season is the most realistic setup in any event. Keeping the elo score in between seasons when much change occurs hasn't ever made sense. This isn't chess where we're comparing career records and an undetermined number or matches. We have defined start and end points to each individual season. Then the offseason happens where rosters change and the sim gets updated. All of which can impact the strength of each team.
I see the ladder more like the BCS rankings, they get reset in a sense every season but teams who perform well consistantly always have more points early.
The reset each season is the most realistic setup in any event. Keeping the elo score in between seasons when much change occurs hasn't ever made sense. This isn't chess where we're comparing career records and an undetermined number or matches. We have defined start and end points to each individual season. Then the offseason happens where rosters change and the sim gets updated. All of which can impact the strength of each team.
I see the ladder more like the BCS rankings, they get reset in a sense every season but teams who perform well consistantly always have more points early.
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