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Originally posted by dbill
what about an all pass team that uses a power back as its returner. It could be a solid ability for the power back if he makes it in on O and gets targeted. If he makes the catch and this fires he may just be pumped enough by this and power through to be unstoppable. A matter of how much carry aware you'd have on the power back though.

You're still better off with just taking power through and ignoring carrying awareness. I probably wouldn't build a HB like that with any Receiving SAs at all. He'd just be a powerback that happens to have receiving hands.

Power running and receiving require so much SP alone. Together you more often than not end up being mediocre at both. With that said I'm still trying it left and right. LoL

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Should I slap some YAC attack on him? Or Gold PT?

Originally posted by Galithor
I won't argue against PT. It's a top 3 SA for any WR IMO. One of the only ways a passing attack can try and engage in the morale battle, and its the only SA that will directly help a player catch passes.

The problem YAC Attack has is it's "powered by" skill. It'd be a whole lot more useful if it were based on power running (like it should be) or maybe even receiving grip. It's hard to justify carrying awareness on a receiver when you can get the pretty much the same benefit from just taking power through, and you've already invested into the power running skill.

The problem with YAC attack is that power WR's are only useful when in space and YAC Attack useful in space.

Originally posted by Galithor
I won't argue against PT. It's a top 3 SA for any WR IMO. One of the only ways a passing attack can try and engage in the morale battle, and its the only SA that will directly help a player catch passes.

The problem YAC Attack has is it's "powered by" skill. It'd be a whole lot more useful if it were based on power running (like it should be) or maybe even receiving grip. It's hard to justify carrying awareness on a receiver when you can get the pretty much the same benefit from just taking power through, and you've already invested into the power running skill.

only one of the reasons I rather find it useless. Again...I almost totally disagree on the OP

Originally posted by Dee.
Power running and receiving require so much SP alone. Together you more often than not end up being mediocre at both. With that said I'm still trying it left and right. LoL

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/player/100929

Should I slap some YAC attack on him? Or Gold PT?

You already screwed his SAs imo

Originally posted by peeti
only one of the reasons I rather find it useless. Again...I almost totally disagree on the OP

except you don't disagree. I said not to take CiS first, or on builds that won't be able to leverage it. You agreed with me.

That this has morphed into a discussion on "how to build power receiver" has nothing to do with the OP.

I wasn't talking about power receiver ether...and I said I find cis 1000x better than YAC attack, so yes...I disagree

Originally posted by peeti
I wasn't talking about power receiver ether...and I said I find cis 1000x better than YAC attack, so yes...I disagree

they're both turrible on a slow CiT build in any event. If that one small piece of my comment is what you've chosen to latch onto in order to forward your crusade against all Galithor opinions, then carry on good sir.

BTW, are you feeling OK peeti, no childish personal attacks yet

I've always wondered if there is a balance check tied directly into the catch mechanics. To clarify what I'm saying, that auto-passed balance check might actually help you physically catch the ball. Therefore making it more than just an 'after the catch' help SA.

From a completely subjective/unresearched manner, it seems like it there's an inkling it might. Y'all are certainly tied closer to the passing mechanics than I am, but I wouldn't personally write off Catch in Stride...purely for that auto-passed balance check element of the SA.

There's also big SP savings if you can then leverage not having to spend a single point in balance, too.

Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust


There's also big SP savings if you can then leverage not having to spend a single point in balance, too.

Balance is what fires CiT, so I imagine that spending a few points in balance will be a benefit, but I'm sure you wouldn't have to pump it too much.

doobas™

@ gali:

I am not sure if we are reading the same posts, but ok. I stated my point twice

And no...if you would have written something stupid, like you occasionally do, I would have told you that pretty directly. You can be sure of that. In this case I just disagree with you and I am not calling someone an idiot or stupid just because of that, even tho that seems to be what many think^^ I couldnt care less about that

Anyway...was also good to read sth else rather than "Waaaahhhhhh, passing got nerfed, Waaaaahhhhhh, running is so op, Waaaaaahhhhhhh, pass needs buff, Waaaaaahhhhhh there is no point in passing anymore, Waaaaaaaahhhhhh also this, this and this is much better when you are a run team, Waaaaaaahhhhhh, when do you finally nerf run, Waaaaaahhhhhhhh.

So it was actually a good read this time

You do know he has a 100% run team and a 100% pass team right? If anyone can say one way is better than the other I'd say it's him.

Originally posted by doobas
Balance is what fires CiT, so I imagine that spending a few points in balance will be a benefit, but I'm sure you wouldn't have to pump it too much.

doobas™

Which is the main reason CiS is a terrible first SA choice. How many rookie owners and OC's do you see recommending their rookie WRs go out and pump balance up to 50+ early in the build? None. They're all more concerned with receiving hands, conditioning, and mobility.

Balance is underused in general on too many WR builds IMO. CiS or not. Players that leave it at 40 are making a mistake. If I rebuilt Air Raid today, I wouldn't accept a veteran WR/TE build with balance less than 60 on the roster.

Originally posted by Galithor
Balance is underused in general on too many WR builds IMO. CiS or not. Players that leave it at 40 are making a mistake. If I rebuilt Air Raid today, I wouldn't accept a veteran WR/TE build with balance less than 60 on the roster.

I'm going high balance on my Wrs, with CiS too, although I'm liking Mr Reliable on them also.

ETA: My Wrs will occasionally need to block, so them being able to stay upright is a help

doobas™

Can't tell now if you are just overvaluing skills or trying to throw people off with misguided notions.