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Originally posted by Rob.
On 2nd look, the GL tactic section may be totally useless.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/152062/1864920

I had middle overload as a defensive option against this formation, and 100 in the inside run box for goal line.

Did you have 100 in Short and 100 in Blitz?

I think their changes to Inside tactics (which were the right idea) sort of messed up some things that used to work.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum/thread/5224104

Paraboon is suggesting that unless all the tactics boxes match up perfectly with a play in the playbook, it'll go random.

Watch these 3 plays and it kinda proves that goal line tactics are useless.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/159866/1802011

First down, no middle overload
Second and third down it calls middle overload.

This means it was pulling my tactic choices from my 1st down, 2nd and very short and 3rd and very short boxes.

If it was pulling from goal line tactics it would have called MO all 3 times.

Originally posted by Absolut Zero
So redefining what they're currently listed as? That would certainly fix a lot of frustrating issues, such as separating run blitzes from pass blitzes.

Yup just the short/medium/long/outside/inside parts. Zone vs. Man would stay the same. Would probably take a bit of coding on Corndog's end I suppose as there would have to be some sort of drop down for each play or something but it would definitely make things much easier on newcomers to figure out the tactics.

Originally posted by Rob.
Watch these 3 plays and it kinda proves that goal line tactics are useless.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/159866/1802011

First down, no middle overload
Second and third down it calls middle overload.

This means it was pulling my tactic choices from my 1st down, 2nd and very short and 3rd and very short boxes.

If it was pulling from goal line tactics it would have called MO all 3 times.

Maybe it is just against GL in GL situations. Which would be silly. But would make sense coded from GLB1 where GL Dive is picked as a 2 point conversion play.

I always assumed that Goalline section was for the Goalline formation in a short yardage situation. Which means no matter the down, if your opponent is in the Goalline formation with <=# of yards you set as short yardage it pulls tactics from this area. I have never did any testing to confirm if this is actually correct.

Originally posted by Parab00n
I always assumed that Goalline section was for the Goalline formation in a short yardage situation. Which means no matter the down, if your opponent is in the Goalline formation with <=# of yards you set as short yardage it pulls tactics from this area. I have never did any testing to confirm if this is actually correct.

That's probably what it is.

Originally posted by Parab00n
I always assumed that Goalline section was for the Goalline formation in a short yardage situation. Which means no matter the down, if your opponent is in the Goalline formation with <=# of yards you set as short yardage it pulls tactics from this area. I have never did any testing to confirm if this is actually correct.

I don't think the Short Yardage variables matter. If you play against a GL O team, and they use GL HB Sweep on First and 10, then it should use your Goal Line tactics. Does for me.

As to Boss's issue, I can't explain that mix though there probably is one..... And we won't like it.

Originally posted by Xars
I don't think the Short Yardage variables matter. If you play against a GL O team, and they use GL HB Sweep on First and 10, then it should use your Goal Line tactics. Does for me.

As to Boss's issue, I can't explain that mix though there probably is one..... And we won't like it.



The problem is that it specifically says Goalline formation in Short yardage situation. I'll run a couple tests later and see what i get on it.

I used Stobie's tool on my WH Defense.

Against Goal Line formation & on First and Ten, I've had 5-2 Cat Blitz 2 Roll fire 28 times.

Here's the first play that popped up on that search: http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/151348/415804

Now on 2rd/3rd/4th and 11 or more yards, I've had 5-2 Cat Blitz 2 Roll fire 5 times.

Here's the first play from the serach: http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/151348/414786

Conclusion:

I don't think Down and Distance matter. It's based on the Opponent Goal Line formation.

It's why if you're a Goal Line run team you can fuck with your Offensive Playbook-Tactics and have a high probability of running Inside or Off Tackle in 3rd and Short against a team that CAN'T use an Inside Run D because normal Tactics aren't used.

I know such people.

Xars, are you sure your 1st/2nd/3rd down tactics didn't also match what you wanted to run out of your Goalline Playbook? If the only two plays you have in that section are 5-2 Cat Blitz Roll, and then something that wouldn't fire off of your 1st/2nd/3rd down tactics, then there you go.

I remembered an old thread about an issue I was having with goalline tactics:

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum/thread/5201787

That seems to indicate the defensive tactics section for "Goalline Short Yardage" won't be used if it's not goalline formation in short yardage situations. The plays used did not match the GL tactics at all.

Originally posted by Xars
I used Stobie's tool on my WH Defense.

Against Goal Line formation & on First and Ten, I've had 5-2 Cat Blitz 2 Roll fire 28 times.

Here's the first play that popped up on that search: http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/151348/415804

Now on 2rd/3rd/4th and 11 or more yards, I've had 5-2 Cat Blitz 2 Roll fire 5 times.

Here's the first play from the serach: http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/151348/414786

Conclusion:

I don't think Down and Distance matter. It's based on the Opponent Goal Line formation.

It's why if you're a Goal Line run team you can fuck with your Offensive Playbook-Tactics and have a high probability of running Inside or Off Tackle in 3rd and Short against a team that CAN'T use an Inside Run D because normal Tactics aren't used.

I know such people.

You aren't understanding defensive tactics. I explained it pretty clearly on the first page of this thread. I can get the exact goal line defenses called at the exact times I want them because I know it is pulling my tactics choices from the 1st, 2nd and 3rd down categories. I have tested this many times by having a short and medium play in my goal line defense and the correct play is always called based on down and distance and my tactics settings for those downs and distances.

My reply was to Parab00n's comment that it triggers based on the short yard box in Tactics.

Originally posted by Parab00n
I always assumed that Goalline section was for the Goalline formation in a short yardage situation. Which means no matter the down, if your opponent is in the Goalline formation with <=# of yards you set as short yardage it pulls tactics from this area. I have never did any testing to confirm if this is actually correct.

Sorry for confusion.

Testing Results:

3 Plays in the Goaline sections, 5-2 Man Base (Short), 4-3 Cover 2 (Medium), and 4-3 Zone Inside Blitz (Short, Inside, Blitz).


Every first down should call 5-2 Man Base, 2nd & 3rd Downs >7 yards calls 4-3 Cover 2 and anything under 3 calls Inside Blitz.


Easily confirmed that Goalline formations pulls plays from normal tactics settings unless in short yardage situation.

1st Down - http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/161003/1915876 5-2 Man Base, every first down same play called which is correct
2nd & Long - http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/161003/1915883 - 4-3 Cover 2, correct play called.
3rd and Inches - http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/161003/1915896 - Engage 8 Zone Play

Meanwhile, flex was wasted which could easily have been avoided if an Admin came in here and gave us an answer which would have took a few minutes to explain.