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My god that was criminal.

What the hell are you guys feeding those players?

You better retire the Stunners and build a lower quality team or you gonna die from boredom lol

no offense....but seriously --- who would think running quarter defenses with 5 CBs who can't tackle on the field is a good plan against a running team?

40 times we had our 2WR sets against QTR defenses. Who would do that? Why would you do that?

Originally posted by TxSteve
no offense....but seriously --- who would think running quarter defenses with 5 CBs who can't tackle on the field is a good plan against a running team?

40 times we had our 2WR sets against QTR defenses. Who would do that? Why would you do that?

What's the right way to defend your juiced up running attack?

Please share it with us. lol

cornerbacks are not the answer.

Originally posted by Irishwhiskey119
What's the right way to defend your juiced up running attack?

Please share it with us. lol

In rookie season 3 when the Stunners won the #1 ladder, you would of have to conceive that we are the best team in the tier and notice we were the only team in GLB at the time that did not throw a single pass.

If your reply is "I don't care about ladder games" .... well championships is nice, but being the best is self explained. I think Nebraska was the only team in the entire tier who saw what we were doing and built a defense that would eventually rock our world.

Originally posted by Irishwhiskey119
What's the right way to defend your juiced up running attack?

Please share it with us. lol
DL needs 80+ BRB/gold Shed across the board, LBs need decent mobility (50+ quick/sprint 70+ pursuit/gold Closing Speed), 70+ BRB, 50+ HG, and exceptional tackling skills (again, 80+ tech/power/grip) and you need at least 2 CBs with 70+ BRB/silver Shed, 50+ HG and 70+ tackling tech/power/grip. Safeties both need some block breaking ability (maybe 50ish just so they don't get destroyed if they end up getting engaged), exceptional mobility (70+sprinting/pursuit & gold closing speed) AND exceptional tackling skills (80+ tech/power/grip). 5-2 and 4-4 formations with some kind of contain (DE contain, LB contain, Cat Blitz 2 Roll, etc) and hope the RNG plays in your favor.

lol so build to beat 1 team and lose to literally every single other one, sounds cool

Originally posted by Sov88
lol so build to beat 1 team and lose to literally every single other one, sounds cool
I was dumb with Compton and about half our defense had slow Built but Hub City is going to have the personnel to stop rushing teams like Minny and passing teams like Compton/DC. Superstar safeties are basically a necessity.

Originally posted by Kayoh

DL needs 80+ BRB/gold Shed across the board, LBs need decent mobility (50+ quick/sprint 70+ pursuit/gold Closing Speed), 70+ BRB, 50+ HG, and exceptional tackling skills (again, 80+ tech/power/grip) and you need at least 2 CBs with 70+ BRB/silver Shed, 50+ HG and 70+ tackling tech/power/grip. Safeties both need some block breaking ability (maybe 50ish just so they don't get destroyed if they end up getting engaged), exceptional mobility (70+sprinting/pursuit & gold closing speed) AND exceptional tackling skills (80+ tech/power/grip). 5-2 and 4-4 formations with some kind of contain (DE contain, LB contain, Cat Blitz 2 Roll, etc) and hope the RNG plays in your favor.

I think that is a good plan - but in all honesty - I think its a bit of overkill - I don't think quite that much is needed. Very good write up though.

I'm not even certain (I could be way wrong) that it is possible to get 80+ tackle tech / power tackle / tackle grip

Originally posted by TxSteve
I think that is a good plan - but in all honesty - I think its a bit of overkill - I don't think quite that much is needed. Very good write up though.

I'm not even certain (I could be way wrong) that it is possible to get 80+ tackle tech / power tackle / tackle grip
eh...maybe 80+ tackle grip is overkill. Hub's run stuff LBs are gonna be rocking 75 tackle tech and 85 power tackle though.

Originally posted by Maddencoach
In rookie season 3 when the Stunners won the #1 ladder, you would of have to conceive that we are the best team in the tier and notice we were the only team in GLB at the time that did not throw a single pass.

If your reply is "I don't care about ladder games" .... well championships is nice, but being the best is self explained. I think Nebraska was the only team in the entire tier who saw what we were doing and built a defense that would eventually rock our world.

It's cool Viper was able to build a defense to counter Minnesota. With time you can do that. It's not cool MMA got dumped into a division with Minnesota where we had great pass defense and good run defense, which isn't enough. No level of gameplanning can make up for the difference in builds. I almost want to suggest full respecs every off season once level 25, respeccing 1 previous year isn't fair to adjust to a new league that has all-or-nothing 1-way fully rostered pre-made teams, that we didn't see in previous seasons.

If MMA stays with Minnesota for the next 4 seasons, Minnesota will just win by default because player builds can't be rectified. The only place to rectify is in free agency and it's absolute crap because this game lost most of the player base over various reasons, including gimmicky teams.

Originally posted by TxSteve
I think that is a good plan - but in all honesty - I think its a bit of overkill - I don't think quite that much is needed. Very good write up though.

I'm not even certain (I could be way wrong) that it is possible to get 80+ tackle tech / power tackle / tackle grip

all of our LBs have 75ish tackle tech and 70ish tackle grip, 50-60 in many other key tackling stats and we gave up 30 missed tackles. even our DTs and DEs are very close to those numbers and even our weakest run support secondary guys are still rocking around 60ish tackle tech and 45ish grip. so no, those numbers he stated initially really arent overkill. just like you need 90 cov tech 90 man awa etc etc to stop a team like DC, apparently without those kinda crazy run stop stats you cant stop a team like the stunners. in my opinion, you have to build to one side of the spectrum or the other because its impossible to be in the middle and compete vs both types of those teams

Originally posted by Mezirah
It's cool Viper was able to build a defense to counter Minnesota. With time you can do that. It's not cool MMA got dumped into a division with Minnesota where we had great pass defense and good run defense, which isn't enough. No level of gameplanning can make up for the difference in builds. I almost want to suggest full respecs every off season once level 25, respeccing 1 previous year isn't fair to adjust to a new league that has all-or-nothing 1-way fully rostered pre-made teams, that we didn't see in previous seasons.

If MMA stays with Minnesota for the next 4 seasons, Minnesota will just win by default because player builds can't be rectified. The only place to rectify is in free agency and it's absolute crap because this game lost most of the player base over various reasons, including gimmicky teams.
it's entirely possible to build a defense that's good against the run and pass if you plan it out. Poor planning isn't a recipe for success, I learned that the hard way with Compton

I think a large part of Minnesota's success was based on luck.

Our original league (Adams) was very full of running teams (nebraska / holy guacamole / La Paz / and others I can't remember). Luck of the draw (by getting in that league) forced us to build run containing LB's and D line which has helped us a lot the last couple of seasons. That said - Nebraska committed fully to stopping the run before we did...and that is the season we lost the championship to them.


Had we dropped in a rookie league with you / compton / alpine / rhode island / etc --- we'd have done exactly what you all did and focused heavily on pass defense -- which (I believe) would have hurt us badly against top ladder teams.


I also believe (but I know some people disagree) that game planning against running teams is much tougher than game planning against passing teams -- so our coordinating and play calling got a big boost with lots of practice from being in Adams as well.

Originally posted by Mezirah
It's cool Viper was able to build a defense to counter Minnesota. With time you can do that. It's not cool MMA got dumped into a division with Minnesota where we had great pass defense and good run defense, which isn't enough. No level of gameplanning can make up for the difference in builds. I almost want to suggest full respecs every off season once level 25, respeccing 1 previous year isn't fair to adjust to a new league that has all-or-nothing 1-way fully rostered pre-made teams, that we didn't see in previous seasons.

If MMA stays with Minnesota for the next 4 seasons, Minnesota will just win by default because player builds can't be rectified. The only place to rectify is in free agency and it's absolute crap because this game lost most of the player base over various reasons, including gimmicky teams.

idk about that, plenty of our guys have hit our caps but if we keep building a handful of key players towards run stopping we should be able to compete. tbh no disrespect to the stunners but i dont think they are on some other level, just nobody has the kind of run stop stats required to give them a challenge