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Also the Bulls finally move into the #1 slot.

um, told you so?

well - congrats bulls! new #1 who might very well hang on to the end of the season

Obviously a tough climb from here on out -- beat #1 back to back and only climb from 11 to 10...YIKES.

Originally posted by TDiddy8701
um, told you so?

Guess you knew I couldn't stop Goal line sweeps in 3rd and long. Plus it's obvious to me now that 70 Tackling isn't even close to stop those backs.

Really no reason for season 1 teams to continue now since those other teams are so good. Bulls probably won't give up that number 1 until the Stunners take it from them.

GG Stunners! Congrats Bulls!

Originally posted by bdnannac
Guess you knew I couldn't stop Goal line sweeps in 3rd and long. Plus it's obvious to me now that 70 Tackling isn't even close to stop those backs.

Really no reason for season 1 teams to continue now since those other teams are so good. Bulls probably won't give up that number 1 until the Stunners take it from them.

GG Stunners! Congrats Bulls!

Sadly you need about 70 Tackling Tech, 70 Power Tackling, and about 70 Grip to even stand a chance.

not sure those baselines are too different from what you need to be competent at most levels on most skill in end game.

A CB who doesn't have more than 70 man aware / cov tech / deflect will likely struggle badly vs elite passing attacks (even at 70 each he is certainly not going to be dominant by any stretch of the imagination).

kind of weird you need higher then 70 tackling to tackle powerbacks with like 90+ power running. Would never have expected that

Originally posted by Merik
kind of weird you need higher then 70 tackling to tackle powerbacks with like 90+ power running. Would never have expected that

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Originally posted by Merik
kind of weird you need higher then 70 tackling to tackle powerbacks with like 90+ power running. Would never have expected that

The point is that you need 3 different major tackling attributes just to bring down a Power Back and this is after 4 other major attributes you need at that level to just beat a block and get to him. Plus another 8 or so minor attributes that all play a factor in the process compared to 2 Major attributes and 5 minor attributes a Power needs to completely dominate a game.
For a LB

Tackling:

Tackling Tech - Just to initiate a quality tackle
Power Tackling - Just to slow down a Power back and actually bring him to the ground
Tackling Grip - Unless you have 90+ Power Tackling you are most likely going for a ride, get ready to hang on.

Major Skills to get to the Power Back:

Speed: Self Explanatory
Agility: Self Explanatory
Hold Ground: Can't get insta-caked
Break Run Block: You didn't get caked, congrats now get off that block

Minor Skills Needed:

Balance: Increase take off speed, prevents ice skating, and helps with tackling
Footwork: Unless Blitzing, LBs go into coverage right after the snap. Low footwork slows your initial Pursuit
Conditioning: Self Explanatory
Toughess: Getting blocked by Run Blocking OL and pummeled by a 90+ Power Running Back
Intimidation: Helps with Power Tackling and lowering energy of offense
Man/Zone Awareness: Which ever your build you have to have this to read the play quickly
Pursuit: Get to the ball carrier faster
Def Consistency: Lowers chance of bad rolls
Heart: Helps with the 3+ missed tackles you most likely have already had



The Power Back:

Majors
Power Rushing
Speed

Minors
Balance
Carrying Grip
Toughness
Carrying Awareness
Conditioning

Only thing I disagree on is that I would put Balance and Carrying Grip into the major category for a power back.


as for LB:
As you know - there are plenty of plays where a defender can get to the ball carrier without needing to break a block and without ever getting engaged -- so hold ground and break block do come into play for some positions on some plays -- but certainly not always.

Likewise - I'm of the opinion that people overestimate the value of agility on defense -- I don't think it is as valuable as others do and I would certainly never put it in the "major" category (and possibly not even in the minor category)
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So, though I have different opinions on some of the details you've posted - I do think it is generally solid.


How does your write up change when considering pass coverage (either LB or CB)? I would expect it would be similar in that the advantage goes to the offense - is that what you would expect?

Originally posted by TxSteve
Only thing I disagree on is that I would put Balance and Carrying Grip into the major category for a power back.


as for LB:
As you know - there are plenty of plays where a defender can get to the ball carrier without needing to break a block and without ever getting engaged -- so hold ground and break block do come into play for some positions on some plays -- but certainly not always.

Likewise - I'm of the opinion that people overestimate the value of agility on defense -- I don't think it is as valuable as others do and I would certainly never put it in the "major" category (and possibly not even in the minor category)
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So, though I have different opinions on some of the details you've posted - I do think it is generally solid.


How does your write up change when considering pass coverage (either LB or CB)? I would expect it would be similar in that the advantage goes to the offense - is that what you would expect?


To answer the last part first, the offense has the advantage both rushing and passing. I think passing can be stopped easier than rushing but both need looked at this offseason and toned down.

I categorized the attributes by SP cost, not my opinion on importance of each. And you are right that often 1 or 2 players will make it to the RB without being blocked, but not every play and you can't afford to not have those 2 attributes and get pancaked a few times.

Originally posted by Parab00n
To answer the last part first, the offense has the advantage both rushing and passing. I think passing can be stopped easier than rushing but both need looked at this offseason and toned down.

I categorized the attributes by SP cost, not my opinion on importance of each. And you are right that often 1 or 2 players will make it to the RB without being blocked, but not every play and you can't afford to not have those 2 attributes and get pancaked a few times.

My opinions on a CB just for pass coverage.


Majors:
Speed - 70
Agility - 70
Deflecting or Intercepting - Don't try to pump both, you don't have enough points - Maxed (whatever that number is on your build)


Minors:
Balance - 60
Footwork - 70
Vertical - 50ish, never had it higher so don't know the results
Man or Zone Awareness - 80+
Coverage Tech - 80+
Conditioning - 50+ (Unless you find the secret to blitzing endgame your CBs are going to be on the field a lot)
Heart - You just gave up a Prime Time catch into Triple coverage you lose 47 Morale
Toughess - See Above

Originally posted by Parab00n

I categorized the attributes by SP cost, not my opinion on importance of each.

Ah sorry - my mistake.

Defenses with little/no superstars getting mauled by offenses built totally catered to S* players.

It's shocking!