It was a great game well played! But still damn! haha anyway as Bongo said see you in the Playoffs!!
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Originally posted by cptafw163
I think that DRZ will get the WC over Philly because of points scored and points against. Head to head doesn't factor...oddly enough.
I'm fairly certain that head-to-head is the first tiebreaker, with points allowed being the second. I believe that I read that in what looked like a somewhat official post?
I think that DRZ will get the WC over Philly because of points scored and points against. Head to head doesn't factor...oddly enough.
I'm fairly certain that head-to-head is the first tiebreaker, with points allowed being the second. I believe that I read that in what looked like a somewhat official post?
Edited by Bongobongo on Oct 1, 2014 07:55:08
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It should be head to head, as winning is what matters. I wouldn't think points scored would be the first as GLB would be favoring high scoring teams. If it isn't head to head it should be!
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Originally posted by Stobie
In a 2 way tie its head to head, if that doesn't decide then points against then points for
In a 3 way tie skips head to head and goes to part 2 which is points against then points for.
This means Bling would get the nod.
All ties get broken at the same time, so currently we would have a 3-way-tie with the Zombies, Compton and Philly, which means Philly could actually stay out of the playoffs.
In a 2 way tie its head to head, if that doesn't decide then points against then points for
In a 3 way tie skips head to head and goes to part 2 which is points against then points for.
This means Bling would get the nod.
All ties get broken at the same time, so currently we would have a 3-way-tie with the Zombies, Compton and Philly, which means Philly could actually stay out of the playoffs.
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Originally posted by Evil Sports Agent
All ties get broken at the same time, so currently we would have a 3-way-tie with the Zombies, Compton and Philly, which means Philly could actually stay out of the playoffs.
Are you sure that ties aren't worked out inside each division first, like in the NFL?
All ties get broken at the same time, so currently we would have a 3-way-tie with the Zombies, Compton and Philly, which means Philly could actually stay out of the playoffs.
Are you sure that ties aren't worked out inside each division first, like in the NFL?
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Originally posted by Bongobongo
Are you sure that ties aren't worked out inside each division first, like in the NFL?
100% sure. It's stupid, but it is the way it is.
In theory you could see a division without a playoff team, because of that. Even though I think they would sort that out by hand. Except for last season (where you just had no such situation) there have always been some kind of weird playoff situations in some leagues. I think you can ask HayRow about that, IIRC he was on the losing end of this problem two or three seasons ago.
Are you sure that ties aren't worked out inside each division first, like in the NFL?
100% sure. It's stupid, but it is the way it is.
In theory you could see a division without a playoff team, because of that. Even though I think they would sort that out by hand. Except for last season (where you just had no such situation) there have always been some kind of weird playoff situations in some leagues. I think you can ask HayRow about that, IIRC he was on the losing end of this problem two or three seasons ago.
Edited by Evil Sports Agent on Oct 2, 2014 04:28:25
Originally posted by Stixx
As long as the 3 tied teams win out, Philly will still get the nod. Drunken has well over 200 points against whereas Philly only has 121 against.
Thanks Stixx for explaining what I tried to say earlier on.
Originally posted by Stobie
In a 3 way tie skips head to head and goes to part 2 which is points against then points for.
This means Bling would get the nod.
As long as the 3 tied teams win out, Philly will still get the nod. Drunken has well over 200 points against whereas Philly only has 121 against.
Thanks Stixx for explaining what I tried to say earlier on.
Originally posted by Stobie
In a 3 way tie skips head to head and goes to part 2 which is points against then points for.
This means Bling would get the nod.
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I think there are other factors, because during the midseason after DRZ first lost to DC, DRZ was ranked higher than DC despite having the same records. Then DC started scoring more points and went higher in the rankings.
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Originally posted by cptafw163
I think there are other factors, because during the midseason after DRZ first lost to DC, DRZ was ranked higher than DC despite having the same records. Then DC started scoring more points and went higher in the rankings.
The midseason rankings have nothing to do with the tie breaking procedure at the end of the season.
I think there are other factors, because during the midseason after DRZ first lost to DC, DRZ was ranked higher than DC despite having the same records. Then DC started scoring more points and went higher in the rankings.
The midseason rankings have nothing to do with the tie breaking procedure at the end of the season.
So to clear things us. Standings on the league page literally have no effect on who makes playoffs, it has been proven season after season they are wrong at the end of the season.
This always leads to conspiracy theorist mentality when playoff seeding actually happens. They have a script that runs and seeds all teams into the playoffs. It does try to find a divisional winner first then the wildcard, but it does it on an easy formula for both situations.
If only 2 teams compared:
1. Head 2 Head
2. Points Against
3. Points For
If 3 or more teams compared:
1. Points Against
2. Points For
Once they declare a divisional winner it moves on to the wildcard spot to which it does the same routine of left over tied teams.
1/2/3 seeds are determined the exact same way as divisional/wildcard tiebreakers.
4 seed is ALWAYS wildcard no matter how good/bad the team is.
Granted none of this is posted for truth, but find me a case where this isn't true and I will believe you, each and every time I tried to disprove this, season after season, I have been shown this is how it works.
This always leads to conspiracy theorist mentality when playoff seeding actually happens. They have a script that runs and seeds all teams into the playoffs. It does try to find a divisional winner first then the wildcard, but it does it on an easy formula for both situations.
If only 2 teams compared:
1. Head 2 Head
2. Points Against
3. Points For
If 3 or more teams compared:
1. Points Against
2. Points For
Once they declare a divisional winner it moves on to the wildcard spot to which it does the same routine of left over tied teams.
1/2/3 seeds are determined the exact same way as divisional/wildcard tiebreakers.
4 seed is ALWAYS wildcard no matter how good/bad the team is.
Granted none of this is posted for truth, but find me a case where this isn't true and I will believe you, each and every time I tried to disprove this, season after season, I have been shown this is how it works.
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The part that sucks about the 3-way tie is it will screw over the team that you'd otherwise think should win the division.
If division A has two teams that are tied, and Division B has a third team in the 3 way tie, it doesn't do the 2-way H2H tiebreaker to determine division winner and then follow that up with a 3-way tiebreaker for the wild-card. It just uses the 3-way and picks the top 2 teams of the 3.
So even if you win both games against the other team in your division, and thus have the H2H winner, they can still be the division winner and you can still miss the playoffs completely even as a wildcard if the team from the other division is also better in the 3-way tiebreaker.
If division A has two teams that are tied, and Division B has a third team in the 3 way tie, it doesn't do the 2-way H2H tiebreaker to determine division winner and then follow that up with a 3-way tiebreaker for the wild-card. It just uses the 3-way and picks the top 2 teams of the 3.
So even if you win both games against the other team in your division, and thus have the H2H winner, they can still be the division winner and you can still miss the playoffs completely even as a wildcard if the team from the other division is also better in the 3-way tiebreaker.
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Originally posted by Stobie
So to clear things us. Standings on the league page literally have no effect on who makes playoffs, it has been proven season after season they are wrong at the end of the season.
This always leads to conspiracy theorist mentality when playoff seeding actually happens. They have a script that runs and seeds all teams into the playoffs. It does try to find a divisional winner first then the wildcard, but it does it on an easy formula for both situations.
If only 2 teams compared:
1. Head 2 Head
2. Points Against
3. Points For
If 3 or more teams compared:
1. Points Against
2. Points For
Once they declare a divisional winner it moves on to the wildcard spot to which it does the same routine of left over tied teams.
1/2/3 seeds are determined the exact same way as divisional/wildcard tiebreakers.
4 seed is ALWAYS wildcard no matter how good/bad the team is.
Granted none of this is posted for truth, but find me a case where this isn't true and I will believe you, each and every time I tried to disprove this, season after season, I have been shown this is how it works.
Here is a thread that proves that http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum/thread/5173474
What happend there? Season 3 Madison league. Division winners from Alpha and Beta clinced the playoffs. Three teams are sitting at 11-3 to find the winner in Gamma and the wildcard. D'Haran and Rhode Island are tied for the division lead in Gamma and Denver is second in Alpha. If we would follow what Stobie said, we would determine the division winner for Gamma first and then go to the wildcard. D'haran and Rhode Island split the division games, so points allowed would be needed. Rhode Island allowed less points, so they should win Gamma. After that we should look at D'haran (Gamma) vs Denver (Alpha), for who gets in the playoffs as #4. Denver won the H2H, so they should advance and D'haran should be out of the playoffs. But what happens? D'haran wins the league? But how is the #5 team winning the league in a 3 team playoff
GLB breaks the tie for the division and the wildcard at the same time. So they put all three teams in one tie breaking procedure. In a three way tie the system skips the H2H and goes to points allowed. Here Rhode Island is #1, D'haran #2 and Denver #3. So Rhode Island and D'haran make the playoffs.
Sorry for bringing that back up. But it shows that the playoff tie breaking system is broken. And I get in rage mode everytime I talk about that and that specific case, because no admin made some kind of comment or corrected the problem. I had that thread up way before the games took place and still nothing happened.
So to clear things us. Standings on the league page literally have no effect on who makes playoffs, it has been proven season after season they are wrong at the end of the season.
This always leads to conspiracy theorist mentality when playoff seeding actually happens. They have a script that runs and seeds all teams into the playoffs. It does try to find a divisional winner first then the wildcard, but it does it on an easy formula for both situations.
If only 2 teams compared:
1. Head 2 Head
2. Points Against
3. Points For
If 3 or more teams compared:
1. Points Against
2. Points For
Once they declare a divisional winner it moves on to the wildcard spot to which it does the same routine of left over tied teams.
1/2/3 seeds are determined the exact same way as divisional/wildcard tiebreakers.
4 seed is ALWAYS wildcard no matter how good/bad the team is.
Granted none of this is posted for truth, but find me a case where this isn't true and I will believe you, each and every time I tried to disprove this, season after season, I have been shown this is how it works.
Here is a thread that proves that http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum/thread/5173474
What happend there? Season 3 Madison league. Division winners from Alpha and Beta clinced the playoffs. Three teams are sitting at 11-3 to find the winner in Gamma and the wildcard. D'Haran and Rhode Island are tied for the division lead in Gamma and Denver is second in Alpha. If we would follow what Stobie said, we would determine the division winner for Gamma first and then go to the wildcard. D'haran and Rhode Island split the division games, so points allowed would be needed. Rhode Island allowed less points, so they should win Gamma. After that we should look at D'haran (Gamma) vs Denver (Alpha), for who gets in the playoffs as #4. Denver won the H2H, so they should advance and D'haran should be out of the playoffs. But what happens? D'haran wins the league? But how is the #5 team winning the league in a 3 team playoff
GLB breaks the tie for the division and the wildcard at the same time. So they put all three teams in one tie breaking procedure. In a three way tie the system skips the H2H and goes to points allowed. Here Rhode Island is #1, D'haran #2 and Denver #3. So Rhode Island and D'haran make the playoffs.
Sorry for bringing that back up. But it shows that the playoff tie breaking system is broken. And I get in rage mode everytime I talk about that and that specific case, because no admin made some kind of comment or corrected the problem. I had that thread up way before the games took place and still nothing happened.
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Yeah, this is an interesting situation. According to points for, in the event of a 3 way tie, Compton will actually bump down to the #4 seed and Philly will be the #3 seed even though Compton beat Philly twice in the regular season. It seems like this playoff formula should be looked at again sometime in the near future as it really does cheat out the team that should be the division winner.
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