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Originally posted by Time Trial
Well, given the way the ELO system works, they would need to win a lot of games to maintain their ELO I imagine... they'd just be losing so much every time they lost to a team with significantly less ELO.

The question is how much ELO dilution you would expect to see from the top of the ladder (long term teams) to the next stage (teams trying to claw their way up). Too much gap would erode the ELO for teams that lost playing down the ladder very quickly, but still might make it a long process for the teams coming up if enough high level wins allows teams to keep up their high ELO by playing down the ladder very rarely (or if there are say 20 long term teams).

It will be very interesting for sure. Just talking hypothetically, what would happen when a 20+ season Vet team with 10k Elo loses to a team that has only played 6 seasons and only has 5k Elo? Will these older teams see a massive drop in their ladder spot among the other life long Vet teams? If there are only 10, 20+ season Vet teams then they are bound to have to play a team that has only had 6-10 seasons to build up ELO at some point.

Teams that are at vet shouldn't just continue to build ELO as long as they are there... If the system is set up correctly (zero net gain of ELO for each game) there shouldn't be much of a gap at all between the "veteran" Vet teams and the new vet teams.

Originally posted by mrm708
Teams that are at vet shouldn't just continue to build ELO as long as they are there... If the system is set up correctly (zero net gain of ELO for each game) there shouldn't be much of a gap at all between the "veteran" Vet teams and the new vet teams.

zero net gain still leads to growth due to teams folding and resetting. There's always new fresh score to thieve for teams at the top.

Originally posted by Galithor
zero net gain still leads to growth due to teams folding and resetting. There's always new fresh score to thieve for teams at the top.

And teams folding are almost always going to be taking more points out of circulation than new teams added.

Originally posted by Corndog
And teams folding are almost always going to be taking more points out of circulation than new teams added.

Aren't most teams that fold generally going to be on the losing side of .500 though? I'd think it'd be the other way around. Bottom half teams dropping out more than top half type teams.

Originally posted by Stixx
It will be very interesting for sure. Just talking hypothetically, what would happen when a 20+ season Vet team with 10k Elo loses to a team that has only played 6 seasons and only has 5k Elo?

That situation would pretty much never happen.

I'm not worried about the ratings. Elo is self-correcting and we have seen empirically that it takes about 1.5 to 2 seasons for teams to catch up from a much lower ratings start, even when in a whole league of lower rated teams. Teams that merge into a vet league that is already established would converge to the right ratong even faster.

Originally posted by NiborRis
I'm not worried about the ratings. Elo is self-correcting and we have seen empirically that it takes about 1.5 to 2 seasons for teams to catch up from a much lower ratings start, even when in a whole league of lower rated teams. Teams that merge into a vet league that is already established would converge to the right ratong even faster.

Assuming that they come in with a decent ELO... if the better teams come in with lower ELO and their leagues don't get merged, they will continue playing their ladder games against similar ELO teams for the most part, as will their league games.

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Originally posted by MileHighShoes
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Originally posted by MileHighShoes
Chaos is a Ladder. Many who try to climb it fail, and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb, but refuse. They cling to the game, or stats, or plateau…illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is. But they’ll never know this. Not until it’s too late.

The sim. Do you know what the sim is? It's the thousand plays that no one uses, a story we agree to tell each other over and over, until we forget that it's a lie. But what do we have left, once we abandon the lie? Chaos? A gaping pit waiting to swallow us all? No, merely the ladder... and who doesn't like to see their friends fail now and then?

Other than frontloading some AP into the first 2-3 seasons I think the system is pretty ideal tbh

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