Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Corndog
Well, it's about 50/50 between two FBs and other combinations from sources online.

Plus it was partially intended to give FBs more offensive focus. Just adding more HBs wouldn't have changed much.

I knew I kept two FB's on certain teams for a reason other than special teams

Considering how rare two FBs are on a roster, can we at least get a reduced (not eliminated, but just made tiny) the OOP for a TE at FB? Considering how often NFL teams put a blocker TE in the backfield, it's logical for it to be a small one.


Or, really, just confirm "it's small".

Sickening run by my non-running QB!

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/96448/3402357

(also - that is a journeyman QB vs a vet team)


(for the record - ran it 4 more times...for a net -3 yards or something -so must have just gotten really lucky on this one)

Originally posted by TxSteve
Sickening run by my non-running QB!

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/96448/3402357

(also - that is a journeyman QB vs a vet team)

That pass fake, wow.

I also ran the diamond pitch:
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/96448/3402120?player_id=56276


Diamond Slam:
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/96448/3402566


Diamond Counter Sweep Weak:
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/96448/3402776


Not great examples of effectiveness necessarily (journeyman vs vet) - but shows the plays in action.

Originally posted by Corndog
I'm working on that right now.

It might not be in for the first day, but it will be in eventually.

When you do that, can you give us the 5-2 depth chart for D?

Originally posted by pottsman
Considering how rare two FBs are on a roster, can we at least get a reduced (not eliminated, but just made tiny) the OOP for a TE at FB? Considering how often NFL teams put a blocker TE in the backfield, it's logical for it to be a small one.


Or, really, just confirm "it's small".

I thought it was a universal 5% OOP, but BortBlade reduced the availability of OOP play to compensate.

Looks like the DC is kind of in....since the WFB was added to the main.


Here is my question though - if we get a "diamond" specific depth chart -- where we can put a running FB in -- then that is certainly a step toward tagging....and receiving / blocking TEs....etc...etc

Originally posted by TxSteve
Looks like the DC is kind of in....since the WFB was added to the main.


Here is my question though - if we get a "diamond" specific depth chart -- where we can put a running FB in -- then that is certainly a step toward tagging....and receiving / blocking TEs....etc...etc

Yeah... instead of a diamond specific depth chart, why not just add FB2 to the main depth chart?

So no nerfing of counters yet?

Originally posted by Time Trial
Yeah... instead of a diamond specific depth chart, why not just add FB2 to the main depth chart?

Would that really be any different? No other formations use 2 FBs.

Maybe I'm off base - but my team (100% run focused blockers at all positions) has had my counters shut down regularly when the other team game plans for it.

I understand at the top level - that it was difficult to stop? but at seasoned - it was stopped reasonably as long as it was game planned for (Nebraska shut mine down in the championship game -- but my D did not shut theirs down).


When is a play over-powered....and when is it the fault of the builds and the defensive coordinator? I'm not sure.

In this particular game - Viper obviously did a better job than I did of calling the defensive plays. I let him gouge me. He had his players in a position to stop me for a loss every time, but they missed some tackles.

http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/game/95238

Summary:
Stunners - ran 5 counters. If all tackles in the backfield were successful - would have been like 5 rushes for -18 yards.
Since there were two plays with two tackles missed in the backfield - 5 rushes for 90 yards

Nebraska - 12 rushes for 183 yards = 15 yards per carry


Every example from our championship game:
Big I counter left vs man OLB Blitz -3 yard loss
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/95238/3190876

Strong I counter vs ZEB -6 yard loss
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/95238/3191258

Big I vs man OLB blitz - no gain
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/95238/3191267

Big I vs Man OLB Blitz - 68 yard TD but included 2 broken tackles (1 in the backfield)
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/95238/3191387

Strong I counter vs man safety dogs - 31 yard TD but included 2 broken tackles in the backfield
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/95238/3191514


As for Nebraska against my D (which was not a good D)
Big I counter left vs Man Base 4-3 - 23 yards untouched (but included pancakes)

Counter Sweep Strong vs Shallow Sam Blitz - 12 yard TD (touched at last second)

Big I counter left vs Man Base 4-3 - 12 yards untouched
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/95238/3191144

Big I counter left vs Man Base 5-2 - 12 yard gain
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/95238/3191254

Big I counter left vs Man Base 5-2 - 1 yard loss (great play by CB)
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/95238/3191318

Big I counter left vs Man Base 5-2 - 21 yard gain untouched
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/95238/3191335

Big I counter left vs 3-4 Cover 2 man under - 6 yard loss
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/95238/3191361

Big I counter left vs Man Base 4-3 - 13 yard gain untouched
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/95238/3191366

Big I counter left vs Man Base 5-2 - 19 yard gain
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/95238/3191401

Big I counter left vs Man Base 5-2 - 26 yard TD untouched
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/95238/3191423

Big I counter left vs Man Base 5-2 - 25 yard gain
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/95238/3191543

Big I counter left vs Man Base 5-2 - 27 yard untouched
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/95238/3191563

Well MEM was really the only team able to contain QC for the entire game this season when they ran counters and that was just using a bend but don't break type of defense that has it's own inherent flaws. You can shut vet level counters down fairly well for a quarter or two (look at the DD vs QC game) but at some point the D's get morale death spiraled and the game gets out of hand quickly.

And a lot of those plays you linked are man base. Man base gets oblitered at the highest level on counters. The safeties react too late and it's usually a 20 yd gain every time or more unless a DT/DE makes a play.

I feel the best counter to the counter is for the play side de to break his block honestly.