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Originally posted by NiborRis

The system as explained by Corndog is fine, .

I think there is an unintended consequence in diluting rivalries and making Journeyman ladder really just Pro Ladder Junior Varsity. The lack of internal top 10 matches suggests that there is not enough (any I guess from what I'm reading) weighting to try to have at least half the matches be within the Journeyman ladder

I don't think that is optimal from a 'keeping Rom_Fox's interest in the ladder games' standpoint .. which I will granted you is a rather limited view of things

It feels like Journeyman is going to be mostly luck as to who wins based on getting a lot of 20 rank draws against Pro teams vs. playing teams on one's level. As the season comes to a close unless there is a final tournament among the top 16 teams or something how do you really have a rank champion?

speaking of which - a tournament among the top 16 teams at the end of the year for each ladder championship sounds like a Shiteton of fun to me

Either the top Journeyman teams are way overrated in the elo - in which case the only way to get the ratings to align is to have the top teams play similarly ranked Pro teams - or the top Journeyman teams can play competitively with the Pro teams they are ranked with, in which case those games will be quite interesting.

Either way I think it's the right call. And specifically for S1 Pro teams vs S2 Journeyman teams, we have the added dynamic of a complete lack of superstars available at the Pro level.

Let's at least watch a few weeks before we say the matchups are uninteresting. I know I'm concerned with the two ladder games I have where the teams are playing down vs Journeyman teams.

Originally posted by NiborRis
Either the top Journeyman teams are way overrated in the elo - in which case the only way to get the ratings to align is to have the top teams play similarly ranked Pro teams - or the top Journeyman teams can play competitively with the Pro teams they are ranked with, in which case those games will be quite interesting.
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well playing up 19 ranks isn't exactly 'similarly ranked pro teams' unless you mean as number 3-4 in Journeyman we should be able to play with number 3-4 in pro in which case .. gads

again though - playing the teams in your own rank builds rivalries - playing teams that are not even in your same development level?

I'm not saying it isn't fun to mess with, but I don't quite understand why you think ladder-level rivalries aren't intrinsically a good thing

I am excited to see how these turn out though. In major skills - the 10K experience differential is really only going to account for 5-6 points right? (as skills get high and cost 1000-1500 each) In addition - second generation players against 1st gen should have a big advantage in terms of build knowledge.

Originally posted by NiborRis
Either the top Journeyman teams are way overrated in the elo - in which case the only way to get the ratings to align is to have the top teams play similarly ranked Pro teams - or the top Journeyman teams can play competitively with the Pro teams they are ranked with, in which case those games will be quite interesting.

Being able to jump tiers freely is a must if the ladder is every going to accurately rank where all teams are. I totally agree there.

It's the whole jump tiers + 19 ranks that is giving me concerns. Concerns that go both ways.

For the journeyman playing up, this is likely going to be a seriously tough game because they're going to be playing teams that have a decent level of commitment and understanding of the game. I'd have a lot of the same concerns if it was two journeyman teams 10+ ranks apart playing each other. As soon as the higher ranked team also gets extra points on their guys, it gets to be way sketchy. All that said, I'm really curious to see how competitive they can be.

For the pros, these are all high risk - low reward games. Even if you win, it doesn't give you that many more marbles for your pile o' ELO. If you lose, tho, that's a big pile o' marbles the lower ranked team gets to run away with.

I like the new system. Let's see how it goes. I'm actually pretty interested in seeing the journeyman and seasoned teams shaking out where they should into the overall rankings.

Originally posted by Rom_Fox
I'm not saying it isn't fun to mess with, but I don't quite understand why you think ladder-level rivalries aren't intrinsically a good thing

I'm pretty open to the idea of rivalries being open to the entire GLB2 roster of teams.

For example, I'm dying to see if I can mold Lost Lounge into a defense capable of stopping Queen City's outside runs while not getting thrashed by every passing team we play.

And I'm very much looking forward to making b00ndoggle reset his original team when he realizes he still can't beat LL

Originally posted by Xavori
I'm pretty open to the idea of rivalries being open to the entire GLB2 roster of teams.

For example, I'm dying to see if I can mold Lost Lounge into a defense capable of stopping Queen City's outside runs while not getting thrashed by every passing team we play.

And I'm very much looking forward to making b00ndoggle reset his original team when he realizes he still can't beat LL



Says the guy who took the 2nd best team in the game and coached them into retirement.

Originally posted by Parab00n
Says the guy who took the 2nd best team in the game and coached them into retirement.

Uh oh.

You were given the team that had always competed with DD and it resulted in Maine not even being able to compete in the top 10. I don't think your sub-par passing team has the capability to make any team fold.

Originally posted by Rom_Fox
This plus none of the journeyman teams play each other. Why have a separate ladder if we are basically just going to play pro teams?


6 of the top 15 play another journeyman team.

Originally posted by o The Boss x
You were given the team that had always competed with DD and it resulted in Maine not even being able to compete in the top 10. I don't think your sub-par passing team has the capability to make any team fold.

hahaha yeah his passing is shit.

Honestly no ones passing looked great in the opening I'm hoping to see a better showing this week.

I'm a fan of the new ladder code. It's going to help even the playing field. Nice to finally get a mention in a ladder thread! But USC, we're off the sauce this season.

I didn't know teams still scrimmed you to try to see your AIs before games. I usually wouldn't care for a game like this and use the base but if you're really going try that I guess I may not.

One of storms better runs came from that one though.
http://glb2.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay/82674/170347