Warrior General Games

Originally posted by nortobc
The question is how many fumbles per sack, not how many fumbles per pass attempt.

You are on the field to throw the ball, not on the field to get sacked

Points in DBG aren't free.

Originally posted by Laggo
I hate the statistics in this game, you got me

even so, 7 fumbles in 867 is still less than a percentage of my throw attempts and it's so easy for the QB to recover their own fumbles in this game since it seems like they get to roll first since they are on top of the ball when it happens (lol) I still don't buy it

I'll fumble 40% of the time I get sacked if it means I get to throw 62%. I'll still recover at least half of those fumbles on my own and the other 99% of the time I will be getting yards I wouldn't have if I was a better sack avoid-er.

Yea, hopefully the league + ladder stats gets added one day, sucked having to look at each of your ladder games just to see how many fumbles you had. I've rarely seen my QB recover a sack FF, he usually recovers botched snaps though.

most all of my fumbles are bad snaps peeti

Seems like an ability that coincides with Drop Back Power in order to make you break free from the sacks without fumbling rather than just a not fumble aspect.

Anyone have high Drop Back Grip and Drop back Power? Maybe I will experiment. Sucks there is no ability out there to help this tho.

Originally posted by bhall43
Anyone have high Drop Back Grip and Drop back Power? Maybe I will experiment. Sucks there is no ability out there to help this tho.

Seems like Carrying and Power Rushing for a HB.

Originally posted by Laggo
You are on the field to throw the ball, not on the field to get sacked

Points in DBG aren't free.

Huh? I care about how DBG contributes to not fumbling when you get sacked. If I had the best pass blocking line, then sure, I wouldn't care about DBG because I would hardly ever get sacked. But being a run 1st team, my O-Line pumps run blocking, not pass blocking, so I will get sacked more than the average pass heavy team.

Your argument is based on having an awesome pass blocking line.

So my conclusion is, if you have a heavy pass blocking O-Line, don't invest. If you have a heavy run blocking O-Line, invest a decent amount. If you have a balanced line, invest some.

Originally posted by nortobc
Huh? I care about how DBG contributes to not fumbling when you get sacked. If I had the best pass blocking line, then sure, I wouldn't care about DBG because I would hardly ever get sacked. But being a run 1st team, my O-Line pumps run blocking, not pass blocking, so I will get sacked more than the average pass heavy team.

Your argument is based on having an awesome pass blocking line.

It's really not, like I said, even if you fumbled 60 times if you are throwing the ball 800+ times a year it's a very negligible amount of your play - and your SP has to account for all your abilities.

Looking at it in the lens of "I want to fumble less when I get sacked" is a restrictive scope. Your ultimate goal is to contribute to your team winning the game. If you are a pass QB, thats by passing well. If you are a running QB, thats by running. Getting sacked is part of the game, and fumbling is part of getting sacked, but you are not getting sacked and past that not fumbling 99% of the time you are playing

Spending 4k SP to reduce your fumbles by half is not worth when that 4k SP can be 25 points in Heart that are helping you on every play, or Conditioning, or Consistency, or Leadership, or the million of other secondaries that QB's have to worry about that affect a larger portion of the game than DBG does.

Maybe you could make a fringe argument for that 4K SP on a QB runner that is getting TFL'd in the back a lot on sweeps, but if that is really happening so much that 4k SP away from your other attributes (or even more importantly Carrying Grip in this case) then what are you really doing as a running QB? You likely have much bigger problems than drop back grip at that point.

But do whatever you want with your own player, lol.

Originally posted by Laggo
It's really not, like I said, even if you fumbled 60 times if you are throwing the ball 800+ times a year it's a very negligible amount of your play - and your SP has to account for all your abilities.

Looking at it in the lens of "I want to fumble less when I get sacked" is a restrictive scope. Your ultimate goal is to contribute to your team winning the game. If you are a pass QB, thats by passing well. If you are a running QB, thats by running. Getting sacked is part of the game, and fumbling is part of getting sacked, but you are not getting sacked and past that not fumbling 99% of the time you are playing

Spending 4k SP to reduce your fumbles by half is not worth when that 4k SP can be 25 points in Heart that are helping you on every play, or Conditioning, or Consistency, or Leadership, or the million of other secondaries that QB's have to worry about that affect a larger portion of the game than DBG does.

Maybe you could make a fringe argument for that 4K SP on a QB runner that is getting TFL'd in the back a lot on sweeps, but if that is really happening so much that 4k SP away from your other attributes (or even more importantly Carrying Grip in this case) then what are you really doing as a running QB? You likely have much bigger problems than drop back grip at that point.

But do whatever you want with your own player, lol.

I would argue it has a place on a dual threat more than a pocket passer. If you can break the tackle and scramble for 20 yards every time it happens, it's worth it.

Granted... Then you're not really amazing at anything.

I am interested in knowing the result of a broken sack. Does the guy run the ball or still make the pass? If he is just running the ball well then ya, a dual threat is the only thing that it makes sense to use it with because what is the point of a pocket passer running up the gut after a broken sack against MO? Not a damn thing.

Originally posted by bhall43
I am interested in knowing the result of a broken sack. Does the guy run the ball or still make the pass? If he is just running the ball well then ya, a dual threat is the only thing that it makes sense to use it with because what is the point of a pocket passer running up the gut after a broken sack against MO? Not a damn thing.

Actually... A lot depending on the formation. the inside guys peel back vs things like 3,4 WR.

Originally posted by Adderfist
Actually... A lot depending on the formation. the inside guys peel back vs things like 3,4 WR.

Ya but you still need to get through the dline and as a pocket passer you likely aren't gonna have things like Carry Awareness and what not.

Originally posted by bhall43
Anyone have high Drop Back Grip and Drop back Power? Maybe I will experiment. Sucks there is no ability out there to help this tho.

what high. My Seasoned guy is 24 in DBG and 21 DBP. DId that in rookie because of all the blitzing D playing being over played, but that was 3 seasons a ago. Have not touch it since

thats a pretty minimal investment that probably won't net any results. Thats 2 games worth of SP pretty much. Probably 50-60ish in both would be a good place to start looking.