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Originally posted by TxSteve
Some of the other QB roll outs are definitely broken (especially weak side stuff)

But some (slam as 1 example) can work pretty well at times.

Hey - I'm for looking at and tweaking/balancing ALL QB runs because some definitely are not fair (see D'Haran's weak side rollouts yesterday)...

I'm also for allowing some kind of full re-spec if some kind of major change is done to the GL QB roll out so those people who truly built for that 1 play (there are a lot of you) can get a chance to salvage their player (if there were some kind of voting system)

Agree on that. I think there should be an option for team to be successful with rushing QB's and essentially Ground and Pound. Just don't want to have a game where Goalline running QB's are the only sure way to build a dominant team.

Originally posted by TxSteve
Some of the other QB roll outs are definitely broken (especially weak side stuff)

But some (slam as 1 example) can work pretty well at times.

Hey - I'm for looking at and tweaking/balancing ALL QB runs because some definitely are not fair (see D'Haran's weak side rollouts yesterday)...

I'm also for allowing some kind of full re-spec if some kind of major change is done to the GL QB roll out so those people who truly built for that 1 play (there are a lot of you) can get a chance to salvage their player (if there were some kind of voting system)

I'm certainly not in favor of full resets because of changes. It's bad enough there is a partial respec.

Originally posted by bhall43
I'm certainly not in favor of full resets because of changes. It's bad enough there is a partial respec.

But in this case, if they nerfed a play that teams built for, then they should make restitution to those customers.

Every successful MMOG does so because anything less just leaves you with customers who feel like the company just stole from them all the work they'd previously put into those characters.

Originally posted by Xavori
But in this case, if they nerfed a play that teams built for, then they should make restitution to those customers.

Every successful MMOG does so because anything less just leaves you with customers who feel like the company just stole from them all the work they'd previously put into those characters.

In what case? You are still the same exact team.

Originally posted by bhall43
In what case? You are still the same exact team.

Except now that the play I originally built for and spent a lot of points to be successful with was taken away from me.

Even if I thought there was imbalance there, which I definitely do not, that'd still tick me off that I'm now stuck with a bunch of players who we spent money on that can no longer play because they were built and spent points on a now broken play.

If, on the other hand, they take away QB Rollout Strong in spite of the fairly overwhelming evidence that it's not some OP magical win-all, but gave me the ability to completely rebuild all the players on my offense, I'd be disappointed, but I'd know that I hadn't wasted any money since I could just rebuild players to fit some new scheme.

Originally posted by Xavori
Except now that the play EVERYONE originally built for and spent a lot of points to be successful with was taken away from me.


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Originally posted by Xavori
But in this case, if they nerfed a play that teams built for, then they should make restitution to those customers.

Every successful MMOG does so because anything less just leaves you with customers who feel like the company just stole from them all the work they'd previously put into those characters.

1.) So you admit now that you built the whole team just for the GL QB Rollout? Think I remember you once said this isnt quite the case

2.) Well, they cant do that. Its a Beta and if they do that every time, then all teams would demand some sorts of respecs and /or flex backs...
Like the Coverage change now, there some CBs ignored footwork since it wasnt necessary. Or QBs who only took one STR because in last seasons sim there wasnt any point in having more than 25 Pass Power.

You see what I mean?

Should be a free respec for all the rookie teams this coming off season.

Besides nothing is changing. Most they'll do is what Adder asked for. Better options on defense. If they can improve defender pathing, containment and plays there's no problem with QB's built to rush. This is a video game not a sim. They just need to make sure it's balanced, because according to like 20 owners, it's not right now.

About the "it's beta" argument - tell me, do they intend to wipe the game's history and give players back the flex they spent "testing" when the game leaves beta? Because that would be the normal thing to do if the term "beta" meant anything.

(I'm not actually overly stressed about it and don't expect them to do anything. But I do hate the beta excuse for games that are being charged for. I'd love to see that paradigm fly somewhere other than game development.)

Originally posted by JudeMorrigan
About the "it's beta" argument - tell me, do they intend to wipe the game's history and give players back the flex they spent "testing" when the game leaves beta? Because that would be the normal thing to do if the term "beta" meant anything.

yeah...scrap that "beta" comment. I always hate when ppl come up with it, so no idea why I just wrote it

Fair enough. Consider it scrapped, at least as far as I'm concerned. :-)

Originally posted by peeti
1.) So you admit now that you built the whole team just for the GL QB Rollout? Think I remember you once said this isnt quite the case

Then you remember wrong. I've lost count of how many times I've said I built this team for Rollout, lost games, and decided in the offseason to make the drastic lineup changes I did to never be a one trick pony again.

Originally posted by
2.) Well, they cant do that. Its a Beta and if they do that every time, then all teams would demand some sorts of respecs and /or flex backs...
Like the Coverage change now, there some CBs ignored footwork since it wasnt necessary. Or QBs who only took one STR because in last seasons sim there wasnt any point in having more than 25 Pass Power.You see what I mean?

I'd say it depends on how drastic the change is and the impact it'd have on teams. If the coverage changes were more than, you need to add Footwork, and were instead, you need Footwork, Balance, Snap Reaction, and Pursuit, and devalued Man/Zone Awareness and Coverage technique, then yes, they should do full respecs because they're forcing drastic changes on their players.

Actually, I've been just trolling xav because he's putting so much energy into this campaign. It's been fun to encourage. I use roll out on the Journey team I coach for, and I always hope to god I get a TD.

My only issue around the whole thing is I want goal line plays to be play called on Very Short situations so I can actually stack the line on 3rd and 1, 3rd and 2, Ball on Opp 3. But this would also require a better goal line defense to adjust if receivers are spread out, and backs need to start further back so they can crash left or right on pitch plays. I'd like to see speed fests for those 2 yards on the outside, and I would like to see teams WANT to make FB grinders again because they couldnt just run their elusive backs through a goal line defense at 3rd and 1 out of 3WR spread.

This would also allow me to run Cat 2 Blitz and Fire Strong stuff against goal line still. It would really nice.

You know, if they would just allow Middle Overload to be called on VERY Short situations, it's almost a fix right there. But the OLB need to start further back to be able to contain better vs outside runs.

Originally posted by Mezirah
Besides nothing is changing. Most they'll do is what Adder asked for. Better options on defense. If they can improve defender pathing, containment and plays there's no problem with QB's built to rush. This is a video game not a sim. They just need to make sure it's balanced, because according to like 20 owners, it's not right now.

This.

If they do this, improve defensive AI, then I wouldn't expect a refund because it's no lonnger nerfing me and the others like me, it's making the entire game better for everyone. Yes. QB Rollout Strong would prolly lose a bit of effectiveness, especially for teams that aren't really built for outside running, but it wouldn't go into the worthless pile.