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Okay, here's the physics...

From 0 forward motion (ie. my feet stop moving and I just fall forward).

This scenario is easy as my body can basically be considered a 73" long lever and the ball will touch down at a distance forward that is directly equal to the height I'm carrying the ball tucked up near my armpit, so 60". That 60" translates to 1.6 yd.

From an average 8 second 40 time (ie. dragging someone so you'll start faster and finish slower than that 8 seconds, but what matters is the average)

This scenario has me moving forward 5 yards every second. Now, let's say I'm dragging someone and leaning forward when I make my dive so instead of the ball being at 60" off the ground, it's down at 36". Note: I'll still be extending to my full length as I fall, and since my feet are still the fulcrum point of this dive, I'll still get the 1.6 yrds + whatever distance I travel in the air.

Here's where everybody in this thread arguing you can'd dive carrying someone is getting it wrong. No matter how much weight I have on my back, I'm going to fall at exactly the same 19.8ft/s^2.

So, doing the math from 36", it works out that I'll be airborn ~.4 seconds. Using my forward velocity of 5 yards per second I will be able to travel 2 yards in the air. Add in my 1.6 yards from extending as I lunge forward, and we'd have me travelling about 3.5 yards.

And again, it doesn't matter at all how many people I'm carrying on my back. All that matters is my average forward velocity and the height where I'm airborn. I also assumed that I'd have no ability at all to generate any upward acceleration because I'm not going to get into an argument about how much power I could generate in my legs although in reality, I could in fact generate some upward burst motion which would in fact get me above 36" for my dive height.

i stopped reading when you said your avg. 40 was 8 seconds.

That math is cute Xavi, but we've already establish falling forward =/= diving.

With some 200 lb men on you (dragging behind) even you falling forward isn't guaranteed to get you the 3.5 you are expecting.

Originally posted by Jampy2.0
i stopped reading when you said your avg. 40 was 8 seconds.

*sigh*

The tie for slowest 40 time at the 2012 combine was between Marcel Jones of Nebraska and Jonnie Troutman of Penn State both with 5.67.

Rich Eisen famously runs the 40 every combine while wearing a suit and tie. His most recent time was under 6 seconds.

I suspect the problem you have with my math is asking why if you can get 2-3 yards diving, aren't all or even more HB carries up the middle 2-3 yards. And the answer is that there is a huge difference between dragging someone and lunging and having someone in front of you and lunging.

You can even test this one yourself! Get one of your buddies, stand behind him, and try to stop them from lunging forward. Then, stand in front of him, and try to stop them from lunging forward. I suspect it'll take you .0001 second to figure out why small guys or tacklers from behind make tackles by dragging people down which allows gravity to assist, rather than trying to put any real effort or waste energy into stopping forward motion where they're pretty much on their own, and almost certainly going to lose (cuz legs driving forward are stronger than arms pulling back)

Legs don't drive forward when you dive.

Originally posted by Jampy2.0
Legs don't drive forward when you dive.

So...um...how exactly does a person dive then if their legs aren't driving them forward?

legs driving forward implies forward momentum.

Another defender who loses his arms, when will Bort and Co step in for the safety of the players???

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