Warrior General Games

Originally posted by william78
rue, but throwing it on the ground is a little much...poor little chokkit bar....

I'd say it's more like carrying it around in your pocket and letting it get meltier and meltier and nastier and more useless but never actually using it.


Different; keeping it in your pocket implies some use. Its just basic uniform commercial code (good in virtually every state) abandoned property is free to anyone who claims it. It happens every so often when someone puts a chair or table out on the curb that turns out to be a valuable antic. Someone comes along picks it up sells it for big bucks; original owner tries to sue to get it back or the profits to no luck...its abandoned. Just like those teams with inactive owners its an act of relinquishing the property and unless they took steps to let support know ..its abandoned and should be free to any comers. Not to mention being a good business decision for Bort.

It's not different from keeping the chocolate bar in your pocket. In discarding the chocolate, you abolish any ownership of the chocolate and forfeit it for anyone else to take. By keeping it in your pocket you're saying "I own this" despite the fact that you have no intention to ever use/consume it. And it's not a good business decision for bort unless he draws up terms and conditions; actually, it may make for a very (small and insignificant) lawsuit

Originally posted by E-A-G-L-E-S
It's not different from keeping the chocolate bar in your pocket. In discarding the chocolate, you abolish any ownership of the chocolate and forfeit it for anyone else to take. By keeping it in your pocket you're saying "I own this" despite the fact that you have no intention to ever use/consume it. And it's not a good business decision for bort unless he draws up terms and conditions; actually, it may make for a very (small and insignificant) lawsuit

I don't know how to tell you this, but your 100% wrong on the lawsuit. "Property is generally deemed to have been abandoned if it is found in a place where the true owner likely intended to leave it, but is in such a condition that it is apparent that he or she has no intention of returning to claim it. Abandoned property generally becomes the property of whoever should find it and take possession of it first"

Also its well advertised on here what happens when your team goes inactive. The owner , by absenting themselves(not logging in) is in fact laying it as abandoned. Mislaid property would be a different story (like forgetting their password if they couldn't find a reset) but willfully absenting yourself...not a chance.

Originally posted by william78
I don't know how to tell you this, but your 100% wrong on the lawsuit. "Property is generally deemed to have been abandoned if it is found in a place where the true owner likely intended to leave it, but is in such a condition that it is apparent that he or she has no intention of returning to claim it. Abandoned property generally becomes the property of whoever should find it and take possession of it first"

Also its well advertised on here what happens when your team goes inactive. The owner , by absenting themselves(not logging in) is in fact laying it as abandoned. Mislaid property would be a different story (like forgetting their password if they couldn't find a reset) but willfully absenting yourself...not a chance.

Oh really? Where's the terms and conditions when you buy a team that say you're "throwing the chocolate on the ground" and not "keeping it in your pocket" by neglecting it? Keep in mind you're dealing with virtual or intellectual property, which is very hard to argue has been discarded. And actually the game is advertised as "casual". What does casual mean? It's a relative term that's different for different people. And since when is it well advertised? This is the first I'm hearing of such advertisement.

You're too stubborn to just accept that everyone, including me, is agreeing with you that it's b.s.. but nothing is going to change. Idk if you're stubborn or in denial but either way you might as well give up because it's not going to happen despite the fact that it might be fair for the rest of us, because that person is a customer who paid money for his share of the game

Originally posted by E-A-G-L-E-S
Oh really? Where's the terms and conditions when you buy a team that say you're "throwing the chocolate on the ground" and not "keeping it in your pocket" by neglecting it? Keep in mind you're dealing with virtual or intellectual property, which is very hard to argue has been discarded. And actually the game is advertised as "casual". What does casual mean? It's a relative term that's different for different people. And since when is it well advertised? This is the first I'm hearing of such advertisement.

You're too stubborn to just accept that everyone, including me, is agreeing with you that it's b.s.. but nothing is going to change. Idk if you're stubborn or in denial but either way you might as well give up because it's not going to happen despite the fact that it might be fair for the rest of us, because that person is a customer who paid money for his share of the game

Not stubborn. Simply a matter of saying that just because you pay for something (rental or otherwise) doesn't mean you can't abandon it later and thus lose all claim to it. You've got someone who doesn't log in for seven days knowing their team will become a refuge of every offer the CPU can generate ; to me that demonstrates an intent not to return. It isn't 1994 where an internet connection is nearly impossible to come by. I managed to keep my team active several years ago while on a 7 month tour in Iraq (with help from some great GMs).

As far as IP; I work as a program manager at a defense contractor in the DC region, I'm more than familiar with legal disclosures and disputes over who owns what. This isn't that complicated though, Bort has every right to do so or not to do so. I'm suggesting (as is the name of the post category) that its in his best interests to do so. Plus just for the record, GLB1 at least back in the early days inactive teams got transferred to GMs all the time. Its good policy because it prevents agent fatigue just wondering why he stopped applying it.

Originally posted by william78
Not stubborn. Simply a matter of saying that just because you pay for something (rental or otherwise) doesn't mean you can't abandon it later and thus lose all claim to it. You've got someone who doesn't log in for seven days knowing their team will become a refuge of every offer the CPU can generate ; to me that demonstrates an intent not to return. It isn't 1994 where an internet connection is nearly impossible to come by. I managed to keep my team active several years ago while on a 7 month tour in Iraq (with help from some great GMs).

As far as IP; I work as a program manager at a defense contractor in the DC region, I'm more than familiar with legal disclosures and disputes over who owns what. This isn't that complicated though, Bort has every right to do so or not to do so. I'm suggesting (as is the name of the post category) that its in his best interests to do so. Plus just for the record, GLB1 at least back in the early days inactive teams got transferred to GMs all the time. Its good policy because it prevents agent fatigue just wondering why he stopped applying it.

Interesting. So Christmas just passed. If I didn't log on for let's say 3 weeks to a month because of the holidays, should I lose my team? Seeing as it's not 1994 and the internet can be accessed readily...even though I don't own a laptop or a tablet?

Maybe the chocolate bar was a bad example since its ownership when team "ownership" is more of a rental. What if I went to blockbuster and rented a movie (as if...) but when I got home I watched the movie once and then buried it in my movie collection since I wasn't in the mood to watch it again. Is blockbuster going to come knocking on my door to collect the rental, since its not being used, before they the rental period is up? ...keep in mind that one season is not that much longer than a movie rental

Originally posted by E-A-G-L-E-S
Interesting. So Christmas just passed. If I didn't log on for let's say 3 weeks to a month because of the holidays, should I lose my team? Seeing as it's not 1994 and the internet can be accessed readily...even though I don't own a laptop or a tablet?

Maybe the chocolate bar was a bad example since its ownership when team "ownership" is more of a rental. What if I went to blockbuster and rented a movie (as if...) but when I got home I watched the movie once and then buried it in my movie collection since I wasn't in the mood to watch it again. Is blockbuster going to come knocking on my door to collect the rental, since its not being used, before they the rental period is up? ...keep in mind that one season is not that much longer than a movie rental

Should you lose it if you don't log in? Yes. Logging in takes 2 to 3 seconds.

As for blockbuster , different its still your house you have physical possession of the tape, indicating at least some level of control over it. Your blockbuster (arn't they out of business) rental is an example of mislaid property where you drop something forget where you leave it but obviously intended to reclaim it later. Mislaid is different than abandoned, which is different than lost in terms of how real property is treated under US federal or british common law.

I get your point but even on a rental where you've created a bailment you still have to exercise control over the property to maintain it.

Going further, as you(correctly) point out there are some minor differences because your not talking about real property. That said, legall he's in the clear, its only a question of what he feels is the best business decision for him, I'm just suggesting he wouldn't lose any credability selling teams and saying if you don't stay active it will be seized and resold; unless you contact support first.

Even better you never "owned" it in the first place, GLB Terms of use page

You agree that all information on the Warrior General Games website is owned by Warrior General Games and may be used or modified in any way, within the confines of the Privacy Policy posted on this Web site. This information includes, but is not limited to, all players and player names, teams and team names, logos, avatars, and text posted via the forum and private messages.

Originally posted by william78
Even better you never "owned" it in the first place, GLB Terms of use page

You agree that all information on the Warrior General Games website is owned by Warrior General Games and may be used or modified in any way, within the confines of the Privacy Policy posted on this Web site. This information includes, but is not limited to, all players and player names, teams and team names, logos, avatars, and text posted via the forum and private messages.


Right....it's more of a rental than an ownership. I already said that.

Originally posted by william78
Should you lose it if you don't log in? Yes. Logging in takes 2 to 3 seconds.

As for blockbuster , different its still your house you have physical possession of the tape, indicating at least some level of control over it. Your blockbuster (arn't they out of business) rental is an example of mislaid property where you drop something forget where you leave it but obviously intended to reclaim it later. Mislaid is different than abandoned, which is different than lost in terms of how real property is treated under US federal or british common law.

I get your point but even on a rental where you've created a bailment you still have to exercise control over the property to maintain it.

Going further, as you(correctly) point out there are some minor differences because your not talking about real property. That said, legall he's in the clear, its only a question of what he feels is the best business decision for him, I'm just suggesting he wouldn't lose any credability selling teams and saying if you don't stay active it will be seized and resold; unless you contact support first.

So if I bought a team, built it up, and then later found out I would be unable to access my account for a period of time, I'm shit outta luck and need to start my new team over? Logging in takes two seconds, but when you're working 55 hours a week over the holidays you don't have much time for hobbies, and when you get done work you just want to sleep. And if your job is let's say, manual labor, you'll go the entire day without once seeing a computer screen

...or I just let my staff manage my team in my absence (which is, I assume, the real purpose of a staff, since there's no platform like google doc's to collaborate on playbooks)

Eagles, Nothing but respect for the working man. I put in some long hours as well. I would say being an owner in GLB is not for everyone. While anyone can sign up on the ownership lists if your not willing to put in at least an hour a day building an organization you probably shouldn't be on it. I was an owner in GLB 1 from season two until season 15. It was very enjoyable but if your not willing to put in the work deal with agents, gameplan, and make the forum fun....you probably shouldn't be doing it.

It looks alot easier than it is, thats why so many signup and then fail to make it beyond one season. No hard fast rule required just some will fail throw up their hands and abandon the team. Just the way it goes. As for the staff, they can serve a number of purposes from gameplanning, to recruiting, to finances (in the old version) , to forum fun - whatever mostly they are there to help you manage and enjoy the spirit of building something. Its a social game but I've met alot of agents I don't think would make good owners, lots of owners who don't make good coordinators, and lots of owners who make terrible recruiters. Thats part of the fun of a social game, building something collaboratively then sharing the thrill of victory/agony of defeat together with the players.

Originally posted by william78
Eagles, Nothing but respect for the working man. I put in some long hours as well. I would say being an owner in GLB is not for everyone. While anyone can sign up on the ownership lists if your not willing to put in at least an hour a day building an organization you probably shouldn't be on it. I was an owner in GLB 1 from season two until season 15. It was very enjoyable but if your not willing to put in the work deal with agents, gameplan, and make the forum fun....you probably shouldn't be doing it.

It looks alot easier than it is, thats why so many signup and then fail to make it beyond one season. No hard fast rule required just some will fail throw up their hands and abandon the team. Just the way it goes. As for the staff, they can serve a number of purposes from gameplanning, to recruiting, to finances (in the old version) , to forum fun - whatever mostly they are there to help you manage and enjoy the spirit of building something. Its a social game but I've met alot of agents I don't think would make good owners, lots of owners who don't make good coordinators, and lots of owners who make terrible recruiters. Thats part of the fun of a social game, building something collaboratively then sharing the thrill of victory/agony of defeat together with the players.

I don't think I follow. If someone didn't have enough time to play madden often, should they not buy madden? Sure, they won't be as good as the people who devote all their time to it but they shouldn't be restricted from it due to lack of free time. The game is advertised as casual, as in you don't have to spend all your time on it to enjoy. It's relatively competitive through and through. I think there's too much responsibility being but on the owners here - as if that 5 dollar exchange obligated them to be incredibly more responsible than any other players. I like the aspect of glb2 that you need to build your players but also be a good agent come off season...it's how glb1 was too (years before it turned into a shit show)

Madden doesn't require you to play with other people who are also putting in money. The ownership exp. is different than being a player, I don't think its "too much" on the owners just don't think being an owner is for everyone, plenty try and fail.

Good post.

Here is what I would propose. Team owner goes inactive (debatable - but it has to be pretty long - 2 or 3 weeks?).

Once that happens - a button appears on the team page available only to users who have a player on that team. That button says "CLAIM TEAM"

Whoever clicks it first - gets automatic temp ownership of the team with all powers therein.

When that happens - button appears on team page: Reclaim Team (available only to owner). He has some period of time to take it back (week?). When that expires - the new owner takes full control of the team - as long as he pays for it...at a pro-rated rate. Previous inactive owner gets a refund on any flex he paid for future seasons.

Will people possibly complain that Player X claimed the team instead of Player Y? I'm sure they will...but that's just too bad

TxSteve is on the money i think.

Originally posted by Kyndig
TxSteve is on the money i think.

Agree, as a possible fix to the current situation.

BUT, there needs to be a way to prevent team owners from going AWOL in the first place. Running a team is much like running a Clan in other games. Its a big commitment.

Perhaps some sort of stiffened requirements.

Or an incentive: Say a team costs 1000 fx/season. A season is 42 days? Each day a team owner logs in, he gets a 10 fx refund at the end of the season. Thus making a team cost cheaper for an active owner. (Or nearly the same as it is now).

If you're a GM on the team and the owner goes inactive (in GLB2 the team page says 'INACTIVE' next to the owner's name), send in a Support ticket and we'll process your purchase of the team.

There's no 'reclaim' button for the owner, though - if he wanted to keep the team he shouldn't have gone inactive.