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If "a harder regular season schedule" was supposed to prepare teams for the WL it didn't work. The same number of teams are promoting and demoting as before. The problem is that the WL still demotes too many teams and the teams that don't get demoted have a huge recruitment advantage (for those teams who still need to recruit).

For the teams that always used to make WL, the structure hasn't made it harder for them to get back in, it has made it easier.

If they only promoted the 8 CC teams the teams that almost made playoffs would get better and the depth of the league would improve. There's no point in recruiting teams to the WL who aren't even good enough to win the CC in their Pro league: they won't have a shot at winning 6 games let alone the 9 it usually takes to make playoffs and not demote.

Only problem I have with dropping the number of demoted teams down to 8 is that it just extends more favor to networks taking over leagues. DS is a big one, but it won't be long before it would just be the top couple coordinators fending each other off between 32 teams. At least under this structure while the competition might be a bit less than the 9th DS team, they are at least possibly some new team of guys.

Originally posted by bhall43
Only problem I have with dropping the number of demoted teams down to 8 is that it just extends more favor to networks taking over leagues. DS is a big one, but it won't be long before it would just be the top couple coordinators fending each other off between 32 teams. At least under this structure while the competition might be a bit less than the 9th DS team, they are at least possibly some new team of guys.

Yeah, but aren't you just promoting more network teams who have an easy Pro league schedule?

I mean, I understand the fear, but after 20 seasons of WL demotes, aren't your fears already pretty much realized? If the same network had all of their teams in the WL, they may be able to duplicate coordinators, but they wouldn't have any more dots to work with, which may spread them thinner.

I'm just thinking that the current system isn't working and maybe a change might help.

Originally posted by Time Trial
Yeah, but aren't you just promoting more network teams who have an easy Pro league schedule?

I mean, I understand the fear, but after 20 seasons of WL demotes, aren't your fears already pretty much realized? If the same network had all of their teams in the WL, they may be able to duplicate coordinators, but they wouldn't have any more dots to work with, which may spread them thinner.

I'm just thinking that the current system isn't working and maybe a change might help.

Sure, but we are also kicking some of them back too. That would be less of a thing if they were sticking more each season.

They got tons of dots. I think you underestimate the DS pipeline.

Among a couple of other networks pipelines.

Homage/Whatje Pipeline the Best

I really think top coordinators need to compile their AI's and let other coordinators have the chance to use them. The only fun i have anymore is going up against other good OC's. Knowing i have to game plan to have a better chance to win is the only thing that keeps me interested.

Game would be more fun if there were more good coordinators. Feels like there are about 10 - 15 right now, wish there were about 40 -50

Originally posted by ghuffman
I really think top coordinators need to compile their AI's and let other coordinators have the chance to use them. The only fun i have anymore is going up against other good OC's. Knowing i have to game plan to have a better chance to win is the only thing that keeps me interested.

Game would be more fun if there were more good coordinators. Feels like there are about 10 - 15 right now, wish there were about 40 -50

U show yours first

The problem with dropping 16 teams out is that there is no opportunity for a team to grow into WL. Being in WL is such a recruiting advantage that, unless you're in a network or building the team yourself, you probably don't have enough elite players already on your roster coming into WL so you either stick with what you have and get murdered, or look to upgrade and take the chem hits.

Once you've upgraded some dots, you're not only battling with inexperience, you're also fighting chem. Teams in this position have actually done quite well to win 6-7 WL games, but they get slapped back down to pro anyway. Once this happens, those shiny dots that were recruited for the WL run leave to chase there WL dreams. Now the team is scrambling for dots again. If they make WL the next season they see themselves in the same spot with an older core of dots. Wash, rinse, repeat until the owner/coords/agents throw in the towel and go join a network.

If you're in a network or building your own squad, none of that happens, your own dots aren't going to leave you for greener pastures. You just swap in some younger and better dots, autopilot your way through the season, pick up a piece of MVP EQ, and you're ready go for the next WL season.


If only 8 teams dropped, yeah DS would never demote, but a couple more first timers would get to stay too, and the promotees would be of higher quality, and you would have less juggernaughts rolling through pro with their eyes closed.

Originally posted by ghuffman
I really think top coordinators need to compile their AI's and let other coordinators have the chance to use them. The only fun i have anymore is going up against other good OC's. Knowing i have to game plan to have a better chance to win is the only thing that keeps me interested.

Game would be more fun if there were more good coordinators. Feels like there are about 10 - 15 right now, wish there were about 40 -50

What is funny is I have done this with several teams now and some are even in or have been in WL a couple times.

Originally posted by Fumanchuchu

If only 8 teams dropped, yeah DS would never demote, but a couple more first timers would get to stay too, and the promotees would be of higher quality, and you would have less juggernaughts rolling through pro with their eyes closed.

The likely hood of someone punching their way into WL as a first timer would be small. And if they did they would probably be quickly released. imo.

Originally posted by evileyez
U show yours first

honestly if there was a way i could give it to other DC's i most certainly would. I don't want to have to be a GM of the team to let them use my AI.

Originally posted by bhall43
The likely hood of someone punching their way into WL as a first timer would be small. And if they did they would probably be quickly released. imo.

Yeah, but what's the point of sending 16 new teams to the WL if only a couple are good enough to stay?

To be honest, the one season I made it to the WL I actually hoped to lose the CCG so that I wouldn't get in to the WL. I'd rather go 15-1 in Pro than 1-15 in the WL. The fact that I won 5 games all season in that brutal Alpha conference still surprises me.

If there was a league that contained the top four PL teams from each conference, that's about the level I can compete at. Pro was pretty easy, WL was too hard. The Pro Leagues could have contracted down to two leagues pretty easily and been a very competitive top to bottom league. How many strong teams are there in the Pro leagues? Right now there are 128 Pro teams and maybe a quarter of those are actually Elite.

As you said, UFC is probably going to promote a declining team without even trying.

Originally posted by ghuffman
I really think top coordinators need to compile their AI's and let other coordinators have the chance to use them. The only fun i have anymore is going up against other good OC's. Knowing i have to game plan to have a better chance to win is the only thing that keeps me interested.

Game would be more fun if there were more good coordinators. Feels like there are about 10 - 15 right now, wish there were about 40 -50

Even if there were 40-50 as u wish, there will always be a top elite group out of those 50 that will be on top and I think that is how it actually is. Trying to break into that top elite group is tough to do when they have all the experience and builds available to them but it can be done

Originally posted by bhall43
Honestly though things really didn't get all that much better from reducing the pro leagues to hemispheres.
No, it made Pro definitively better. It's a substantially bigger pain in my ass to try and make a flawed roster have success at that level now.