Oh I am right there with him in wishing PeeWee was no/no.
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Originally posted by LordEvil
Maybe some of us are not math geeks and enjoy the game of football. I don't sit there and try and make the perfect build by squeezing this or that. I just like the game of football. That's what is really wrong with this game is it caters to a math aspect of the game when it comes to builds. That's why I loved before season 16 era. You only had 2 ways to build. No math BS in the mix. Back then boosted teams would really pound unboosted teams. At least now you have a chance, back then you had a 1 in 1000 chance at beating a good boosted team with or without game planning.
Ya, seasons 20,21,22,23 on Maine, RK really broke down the math on builds. It was absurd how detailed he got, but in the end, it worked. He really was a step above everyone else, learned a ton from him. The Eagle also broke down D positioning using coordinates. Allowed me to hammer out holes in defense easier. I do agree with LE, though. I like football and that was way too much work. Kind of alienated a large portion of the community.
Oh and boosting is a huge advantage if you know how to use it. Boosted/Non-boosted normally end their primary around the same, boosted will hit it earlier and ALG's will take it a little bit higher. It's your 4th/5th that gets rounded out better. I like these topics, so gj aswalick. I've been on both sides of the coin, but I've always preferred my team and staying no/no. Beating a yes/yes as a no/no in the 1st round of the playoffs or even second makes up for getting destroyed in conf champ.
Maybe some of us are not math geeks and enjoy the game of football. I don't sit there and try and make the perfect build by squeezing this or that. I just like the game of football. That's what is really wrong with this game is it caters to a math aspect of the game when it comes to builds. That's why I loved before season 16 era. You only had 2 ways to build. No math BS in the mix. Back then boosted teams would really pound unboosted teams. At least now you have a chance, back then you had a 1 in 1000 chance at beating a good boosted team with or without game planning.
Ya, seasons 20,21,22,23 on Maine, RK really broke down the math on builds. It was absurd how detailed he got, but in the end, it worked. He really was a step above everyone else, learned a ton from him. The Eagle also broke down D positioning using coordinates. Allowed me to hammer out holes in defense easier. I do agree with LE, though. I like football and that was way too much work. Kind of alienated a large portion of the community.
Oh and boosting is a huge advantage if you know how to use it. Boosted/Non-boosted normally end their primary around the same, boosted will hit it earlier and ALG's will take it a little bit higher. It's your 4th/5th that gets rounded out better. I like these topics, so gj aswalick. I've been on both sides of the coin, but I've always preferred my team and staying no/no. Beating a yes/yes as a no/no in the 1st round of the playoffs or even second makes up for getting destroyed in conf champ.
Edited by Jackson55555 on Jan 2, 2013 12:58:12
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Originally posted by Oakdad
Oh I am right there with him in wishing PeeWee was no/no.
Pee-Wee almost went no/no season.....19? I think. But a certain 2-3 guys wouldn't have that.
Oh I am right there with him in wishing PeeWee was no/no.
Pee-Wee almost went no/no season.....19? I think. But a certain 2-3 guys wouldn't have that.
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Originally posted by Jackson55555
Pee-Wee almost went no/no season.....19? I think. But a certain 2-3 guys wouldn't have that.
If you mean me, you can come out and say it. In fact, that is not true at all. I wanted to make pee wee No-No and pushed hard for something from GLB to reduce the cost of pee wee in one way or another. I basically accepted the rental EQ as enough to keep me boosting and buying CEQ because it reduced the upfront cost and made buying CEQ much easier. Therefore, I needed to have less flex on hand. The fact that GLB made fielding a boosting team easier was what killed the movement, not me or anyone else in particular.
Pee-Wee almost went no/no season.....19? I think. But a certain 2-3 guys wouldn't have that.
If you mean me, you can come out and say it. In fact, that is not true at all. I wanted to make pee wee No-No and pushed hard for something from GLB to reduce the cost of pee wee in one way or another. I basically accepted the rental EQ as enough to keep me boosting and buying CEQ because it reduced the upfront cost and made buying CEQ much easier. Therefore, I needed to have less flex on hand. The fact that GLB made fielding a boosting team easier was what killed the movement, not me or anyone else in particular.
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wow. i had no idea all of this would come out of one game and also shocked that awsalick would rant about a loss to my team. i was just talking to a coworker in the office about you and your team like i was a fan and then i log on to get hit by this......it really is deflating. i thought we were better than that. i've seen this before and i know how it plays out so i wont check this thread again because a back and forth is childish in my opinion. since you decided to bring it to the stage lets put it ALL out there.
my team is custom but i added it on day one so IF you scouted me you knew going in what you were facing. it shouldn't have been a big deal though since you have beaten custom and boosted teams before. you are that good right ? and since i have beat you before as a no/no http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2087696 what is this really about ? i also have 2 free players that come with 3 free boosts. i used them and you chose not to use yours. since gold has never been totally no/no that's your problem.
the free win i did nothing to deserve is a hipocritical statement and nothing more. i rebuilt my OAI before the game and stripped all of my packages and releaded them so any tendencies i had going into the game were gone. while on the other hand the counter that had my yards per carry average looking so nice came from you not making the proper adjustments to your team after previous games. i'm looking at my notes from scouting you and i see a total of 15 pass plays not counting screens that i could have used to load my scouted package with. 15 plays that you did nothing to fix. the reality is you haven't done anything to deserve a win and your record reflects it.
i did study gerrs defense and rebuilt it play by play. i did not copy it. i wanted to undestand what makes it work. go through my games and you will find that i have plays that he does not have and also some positioning has changed. it is a work in progress and will continue to be.
you are a good coach awsalick but know this. i have never gone to the forums bitching about a loss. not once. win lose or draw it's good game and i'm on to the next one. the REAL problem with pee wee is the immaturity of people thinking they can control teams other than the ones they paid for. i'm done with this. if you have anything more to say and want to discuss it like a mature adult send me a pm
my team is custom but i added it on day one so IF you scouted me you knew going in what you were facing. it shouldn't have been a big deal though since you have beaten custom and boosted teams before. you are that good right ? and since i have beat you before as a no/no http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2087696 what is this really about ? i also have 2 free players that come with 3 free boosts. i used them and you chose not to use yours. since gold has never been totally no/no that's your problem.
the free win i did nothing to deserve is a hipocritical statement and nothing more. i rebuilt my OAI before the game and stripped all of my packages and releaded them so any tendencies i had going into the game were gone. while on the other hand the counter that had my yards per carry average looking so nice came from you not making the proper adjustments to your team after previous games. i'm looking at my notes from scouting you and i see a total of 15 pass plays not counting screens that i could have used to load my scouted package with. 15 plays that you did nothing to fix. the reality is you haven't done anything to deserve a win and your record reflects it.
i did study gerrs defense and rebuilt it play by play. i did not copy it. i wanted to undestand what makes it work. go through my games and you will find that i have plays that he does not have and also some positioning has changed. it is a work in progress and will continue to be.
you are a good coach awsalick but know this. i have never gone to the forums bitching about a loss. not once. win lose or draw it's good game and i'm on to the next one. the REAL problem with pee wee is the immaturity of people thinking they can control teams other than the ones they paid for. i'm done with this. if you have anything more to say and want to discuss it like a mature adult send me a pm
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Originally posted by
i did study gerrs defense and rebuilt it play by play. i did not copy it. i wanted to undestand what makes it work. go through my games and you will find that i have plays that he does not have and also some positioning has changed. it is a work in progress and will continue to be.
After scouting
Spread defense, Singleback , Single back Big, SB Trips and goalline same as AZ within a step
Strong I, Pro set, Weak I, and Big I - Not AZ defense
i did study gerrs defense and rebuilt it play by play. i did not copy it. i wanted to undestand what makes it work. go through my games and you will find that i have plays that he does not have and also some positioning has changed. it is a work in progress and will continue to be.
After scouting
Spread defense, Singleback , Single back Big, SB Trips and goalline same as AZ within a step
Strong I, Pro set, Weak I, and Big I - Not AZ defense
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AI: You used to be No/No. I totally looked forward to our games because they were always super close. And now, that's gone. Have fun with your built in advantage.
Second, AI: this isn't just you. It's aimed at every team out there with CE or that boosts. I've always been the first one to bitch about boosters/CE users, because it's a fucking terrible, outdated business model that has been proven to fail over and over in the gaming industry.
You know, have you considered that my team "turns it on" in the playoffs because I don't do any planning at all in the regular season? I'm not going to waste my personal time just to overcome the fact that you bought a bunch of BortBucks. I'll just wait to do something in the playoffs, so those 15 magical superplays you have suddenly don't work.
Second, AI: this isn't just you. It's aimed at every team out there with CE or that boosts. I've always been the first one to bitch about boosters/CE users, because it's a fucking terrible, outdated business model that has been proven to fail over and over in the gaming industry.
You know, have you considered that my team "turns it on" in the playoffs because I don't do any planning at all in the regular season? I'm not going to waste my personal time just to overcome the fact that you bought a bunch of BortBucks. I'll just wait to do something in the playoffs, so those 15 magical superplays you have suddenly don't work.
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Originally posted by Oakdad
Oh I am right there with him in wishing PeeWee was no/no.
sorry for taking a dig
Originally posted by A.I.
wow. i had no idea all of this would come out of one game and also shocked that awsalick would rant about a loss to my team. i was just talking to a coworker in the office about you and your team like i was a fan and then i log on to get hit by this......it really is deflating.
...it funny that you would assume that it's all about you ...you should really try to go out more!
Originally posted by A.I.
i thought we were better than that. i've seen this before and i know how it plays out so i wont check this thread again because a back and forth is childish in my opinion. since you decided to bring it to the stage lets put it ALL out there.
lol welcome to my world!
Originally posted by A.I.
my team is custom but i added it on day one so IF you scouted me you knew going in what you were facing. it shouldn't have been a big deal though since you have beaten custom and boosted teams before. you are that good right ? and since i have beat you before as a no/no http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2087696 what is this really about ? i also have 2 free players that come with 3 free boosts. i used them and you chose not to use yours. since gold has never been totally no/no that's your problem.
...well i do love rivalry, but preferably between 2 evenly match teams ...why say that you not going to check this thread again and then start asking questions?
Originally posted by A.I.
i did study gerrs defense and rebuilt it play by play. i did not copy it. i wanted to undestand what makes it work. go through my games and you will find that i have plays that he does not have and also some positioning has changed. it is a work in progress and will continue to be.
'blah blah blah, I'm so great, but I do have some help and I am copying plays'
Originally posted by A.I.
you are a good coach awsalick but know this. i have never gone to the forums bitching about a loss. not once. win lose or draw it's good game and i'm on to the next one. the REAL problem with pee wee is the immaturity of people thinking they can control teams other than the ones they paid for. i'm done with this. if you have anything more to say and want to discuss it like a mature adult send me a pm
you fail to understand A.I. ...this rant has been brewing well before you were kissing ass on these forums! ...no the REAL problem is that too many team owners get egos from having a clear advantage over other teams from:
~stealing AIs off other teams/having PWG caliber coordinators on your team
~having access to other PWG team forums
~being coaxed or 'babied' by more experienced and accomplished team owners
~copying off other PWG teams
~boosting
...hey not saying that there much really wrong with those above points, but in no way a reason to big note and boast about how good you are!
Oh I am right there with him in wishing PeeWee was no/no.
sorry for taking a dig
Originally posted by A.I.
wow. i had no idea all of this would come out of one game and also shocked that awsalick would rant about a loss to my team. i was just talking to a coworker in the office about you and your team like i was a fan and then i log on to get hit by this......it really is deflating.
...it funny that you would assume that it's all about you ...you should really try to go out more!
Originally posted by A.I.
i thought we were better than that. i've seen this before and i know how it plays out so i wont check this thread again because a back and forth is childish in my opinion. since you decided to bring it to the stage lets put it ALL out there.
lol welcome to my world!
Originally posted by A.I.
my team is custom but i added it on day one so IF you scouted me you knew going in what you were facing. it shouldn't have been a big deal though since you have beaten custom and boosted teams before. you are that good right ? and since i have beat you before as a no/no http://goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=2087696 what is this really about ? i also have 2 free players that come with 3 free boosts. i used them and you chose not to use yours. since gold has never been totally no/no that's your problem.
...well i do love rivalry, but preferably between 2 evenly match teams ...why say that you not going to check this thread again and then start asking questions?
Originally posted by A.I.
i did study gerrs defense and rebuilt it play by play. i did not copy it. i wanted to undestand what makes it work. go through my games and you will find that i have plays that he does not have and also some positioning has changed. it is a work in progress and will continue to be.
'blah blah blah, I'm so great, but I do have some help and I am copying plays'
Originally posted by A.I.
you are a good coach awsalick but know this. i have never gone to the forums bitching about a loss. not once. win lose or draw it's good game and i'm on to the next one. the REAL problem with pee wee is the immaturity of people thinking they can control teams other than the ones they paid for. i'm done with this. if you have anything more to say and want to discuss it like a mature adult send me a pm
you fail to understand A.I. ...this rant has been brewing well before you were kissing ass on these forums! ...no the REAL problem is that too many team owners get egos from having a clear advantage over other teams from:
~stealing AIs off other teams/having PWG caliber coordinators on your team
~having access to other PWG team forums
~being coaxed or 'babied' by more experienced and accomplished team owners
~copying off other PWG teams
~boosting
...hey not saying that there much really wrong with those above points, but in no way a reason to big note and boast about how good you are!
Edited by ManOgwaR on Jan 1, 2013 19:40:05
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Why don't all you non boosters whining take a can of STFU out of the fridge and drink it? Waaa Waaa Waaa. So you can't have all 32 teams be non boosted, guess what GLB is a business, it aint going to happen, so quit then, we don't need ya, there will be another team that will take your place.
Been playing pee wee since it's freaking creation, helped get the damn league created back in season 7. Ya know what? We had boosters then too. Oh my freaking God are you kidding me? Then guess what? We had a shit ton more boosters back then when the game was even more expensive.
Bort has been catering to you guys for ages, Hell he can't make the game free like you wish he would. We got a huge break on EQ when he cut the cost. Pee Wee teams if I recall were even a little cheaper because we don't have the VAs and extras. He even gave us a passing boost so we have somewhat a realistic sim to deal with. Back in season 12 and 13 you could only run the ball. Imagine that, 25 plus teams boosted and only had a freaking running game to use. At least now there is only 10 boosted teams this season, 10. I would quit winning with that knowledge. There are a LOT more boosted teams in silver than there are Gold. I am sure someone else will take your place.
BTW I spent my own money on the game, don't freaking cry to me how I can and cannot spend it. Shove your guilt trips right up your bungholios!
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Been playing pee wee since it's freaking creation, helped get the damn league created back in season 7. Ya know what? We had boosters then too. Oh my freaking God are you kidding me? Then guess what? We had a shit ton more boosters back then when the game was even more expensive.
Bort has been catering to you guys for ages, Hell he can't make the game free like you wish he would. We got a huge break on EQ when he cut the cost. Pee Wee teams if I recall were even a little cheaper because we don't have the VAs and extras. He even gave us a passing boost so we have somewhat a realistic sim to deal with. Back in season 12 and 13 you could only run the ball. Imagine that, 25 plus teams boosted and only had a freaking running game to use. At least now there is only 10 boosted teams this season, 10. I would quit winning with that knowledge. There are a LOT more boosted teams in silver than there are Gold. I am sure someone else will take your place.
BTW I spent my own money on the game, don't freaking cry to me how I can and cannot spend it. Shove your guilt trips right up your bungholios!
/rant
Edited by LordEvil on Jan 1, 2013 19:57:49
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Originally posted by LordEvil
so quit then, we don't need ya, there will be another team that will take your place.
K then. I'll play out this season and quit after that. Have fun in your dead league playing versus the Offtopica/CPU team that ends up filling my spot.
so quit then, we don't need ya, there will be another team that will take your place.
K then. I'll play out this season and quit after that. Have fun in your dead league playing versus the Offtopica/CPU team that ends up filling my spot.
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Originally posted by awsalick
K then. I'll play out this season and quit after that. Have fun in your dead league playing versus the Offtopica/CPU team that ends up filling my spot.
lol maybe Gerr can get a 3rd team in Gold
K then. I'll play out this season and quit after that. Have fun in your dead league playing versus the Offtopica/CPU team that ends up filling my spot.
lol maybe Gerr can get a 3rd team in Gold
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LE if peewee ever does survive, then am sure that you will one day be peewee mod ...you should be a mod already!
...but please don't confuse this 'business', with a business that is worthy of that sort of monetary requirement!
...if you want to get intelligent and rational thinkers involved in this game, then obviously the price needs to still come down considerably more ...otherwise, the 'black hole' of exodus will always be prevalent
...but please don't confuse this 'business', with a business that is worthy of that sort of monetary requirement!
...if you want to get intelligent and rational thinkers involved in this game, then obviously the price needs to still come down considerably more ...otherwise, the 'black hole' of exodus will always be prevalent
Edited by ManOgwaR on Jan 1, 2013 21:37:49
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Seriously, though, the game needs to be structured so your flex is spent buying more free player slots. CE should just be free. Teams should cost more per season.
Pee wee should switch to an entirely No/No league with free players to everyone, but they are forcibly retired (and also effected by the increased team costs.). Basically, it' should be a trial league for new players and people that want to experiment with shit.
It's hard to sell things to people when it decays by 70% every time you reset. ESPECIALLY selling that to new players, who need to be resetting their gdm terrible dots all the time and are evaluating whether this game is worth their time/money. There's a reason there hasn't been a new player to this game in 2 years. lol.
Pee wee should switch to an entirely No/No league with free players to everyone, but they are forcibly retired (and also effected by the increased team costs.). Basically, it' should be a trial league for new players and people that want to experiment with shit.
It's hard to sell things to people when it decays by 70% every time you reset. ESPECIALLY selling that to new players, who need to be resetting their gdm terrible dots all the time and are evaluating whether this game is worth their time/money. There's a reason there hasn't been a new player to this game in 2 years. lol.
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Originally posted by awsalick
Seriously, though, the game needs to be structured so your flex is spent buying more free player slots. CE should just be free. Teams should cost more per season.
Pee wee should switch to an entirely No/No league with free players to everyone, but they are forcibly retired (and also effected by the increased team costs.). Basically, it' should be a trial league for new players and people that want to experiment with shit.
It's hard to sell things to people when it decays by 70% every time you reset. ESPECIALLY selling that to new players, who need to be resetting their gdm terrible dots all the time and are evaluating whether this game is worth their time/money. There's a reason there hasn't been a new player to this game in 2 years. lol.
yeah i agree that this game needs to be restructured, but what some of us(or the majority of us) want, will probably never eventuate ...apparently, everyone wanted more than what this game had to offer back when it started and then when they got it, the community dissolved ...everyone has an opinion about what would be best, but it seems that we all have conflicting opinions, some want it to remain this way for whatever reason and others can't seem to think 'outside of the box' ...personally, I think that it should be a set fee per season and everyone gets a fully loaded team to control without the 'unexpected cost blowouts'.
Seriously, though, the game needs to be structured so your flex is spent buying more free player slots. CE should just be free. Teams should cost more per season.
Pee wee should switch to an entirely No/No league with free players to everyone, but they are forcibly retired (and also effected by the increased team costs.). Basically, it' should be a trial league for new players and people that want to experiment with shit.
It's hard to sell things to people when it decays by 70% every time you reset. ESPECIALLY selling that to new players, who need to be resetting their gdm terrible dots all the time and are evaluating whether this game is worth their time/money. There's a reason there hasn't been a new player to this game in 2 years. lol.
yeah i agree that this game needs to be restructured, but what some of us(or the majority of us) want, will probably never eventuate ...apparently, everyone wanted more than what this game had to offer back when it started and then when they got it, the community dissolved ...everyone has an opinion about what would be best, but it seems that we all have conflicting opinions, some want it to remain this way for whatever reason and others can't seem to think 'outside of the box' ...personally, I think that it should be a set fee per season and everyone gets a fully loaded team to control without the 'unexpected cost blowouts'.
Edited by ManOgwaR on Jan 2, 2013 01:01:40
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I so would love to see a PeeWee option when creating players.
With the tag you are forced to be no/no for the first 41 days.
All players on PeeWee are then required to be no/no.
Have me loose 2% flex when retiring a PeeWee dot.
Now You can keep the dot past PeeWee and on day 41-48
you are given the option buy the 3 missed boost at double
the normal flex cost to have the same amount of boost at
the end of the season as other long term dots.
Like the above you loose an extra 2% flex when retiring
these dots
With the tag you are forced to be no/no for the first 41 days.
All players on PeeWee are then required to be no/no.
Have me loose 2% flex when retiring a PeeWee dot.
Now You can keep the dot past PeeWee and on day 41-48
you are given the option buy the 3 missed boost at double
the normal flex cost to have the same amount of boost at
the end of the season as other long term dots.
Like the above you loose an extra 2% flex when retiring
these dots
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