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Originally posted by Bladnach
I mean, cernet and taut have built some great dots equalling almost an entire team and are good coordinators
Eh. They are phenomenal dot builders, but tautology leaves giant holes in his defense every season, so I would not call him a good coordinator. Remember that tautology already had rosters of full dots back when alloy was dominating, so it's not like alloy only achieved that because he was the first. It's really that he was the only one who built the vast majority of a roster while also being great (if very simplistic) at coordinating too. I'm not sure anyone has done both since then, so it's not out of the question that his dominance would continue although the sim has obviously changed a lot and the competition has gotten better.

Being very simplistic does not make a great coordinator. He got by on his builds for 90% of his success. I remember going against him and he would run about 10 plays every game and everyone knew what was coming, but could not stop it. He mastered triple team catches and 5 broken tackles almost every play. Which is why he would normally beat teams 80 to 60 though i am not sure who was running his defense

Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by Bladnach

I mean, cernet and taut have built some great dots equalling almost an entire team and are good coordinators
Eh. They are phenomenal dot builders, but tautology leaves giant holes in his defense every season, so I would not call him a good coordinator. Remember that tautology already had rosters of full dots back when alloy was dominating, so it's not like alloy only achieved that because he was the first. It's really that he was the only one who built the vast majority of a roster while also being great (if very simplistic) at coordinating too. I'm not sure anyone has done both since then, so it's not out of the question that his dominance would continue although the sim has obviously changed a lot and the competition has gotten better.

Yes but now there are 100 Alloys. There isnt anyone who is that far ahead dot building wise, and even if they are, its not showing results wise like when Alloy was here.

It was a unique era/situation that will never able to be replicated no matter who the agent is because no one will be able to be the only team with that massive of a roster advantage (hali/blaze were close but didn't have the near perfect double%aeq and coordinated VAs across the whole roster).

We don't really know what alloy would be like coordinating a season against 12 teams in his conference all who could take him out. I'm sure he'd figure it out but no one will be able to get that 3season type of dominance valhalla had. It would be fun to see him keep going but i like i said, i think the myth is more fun than watching him demote and struggle like other teams who had dominant 3 seasons stretches like blaze/hali/hhwc

Alloy wouldn't be nearly as good. He never had to try at GLB coordinating and i don't know if he was ever good at it. He'd probably be solid but just another good GLBer.

Originally posted by jdbolick

Eh. They are phenomenal dot builders, but tautology leaves giant holes in his defense every season, so I would not call him a good coordinator. Remember that tautology already had rosters of full dots back when alloy was dominating, so it's not like alloy only achieved that because he was the first. It's really that he was the only one who built the vast majority of a roster while also being great (if very simplistic) at coordinating too. I'm not sure anyone has done both since then, so it's not out of the question that his dominance would continue although the sim has obviously changed a lot and the competition has gotten better.

back then there were massive difference between the build quality on the top teams and the other WL teams. It didn't matter how good coordinating was you weren't beating Valhalla unless you had the Blaze quality builds. There wasn't the randomness to the sim that there is today or maybe builds are just closer now. But he wouldn't have the build advantage, and he was never anything special as a coordinator. So it is completely out of the question for him or anyone to dominate like that again, don't be ridiculous.

Originally posted by O' HappyCow
Yes but now there are 100 Alloys. There isnt anyone who is that far ahead dot building wise, and even if they are, its not showing results wise like when Alloy was here.

Can you imagine if back then everyone had a valhalla quality roster like the parity now? Would be a pretty insane looking sim. Might've caused bort to ragequit with all the sim problems exposed at once

Originally posted by ghuffman
Being very simplistic does not make a great coordinator.
Back then it did. He knew what worked and what didn't.

Originally posted by
He got by on his builds for 90% of his success.
As many have stated, his builds weren't revolutionary even for that era. Many of us had builds that were just as good, including mine. Now it's true that he had far more of them than I could afford to build, but knowing what worked in the sim was a much bigger part of his success than you're claiming.

Originally posted by O' HappyCow
Yes but now there are 100 Alloys. There isnt anyone who is that far ahead dot building wise, and even if they are, its not showing results wise like when Alloy was here.
He wasn't ahead dot-building wise, which is my whole point. When he opened his builds, many of us in the WL had dots equal or even slightly superior.

Originally posted by GMathiasf
back then there were massive difference between the build quality on the top teams and the other WL teams. It didn't matter how good coordinating was you weren't beating Valhalla unless you had the Blaze quality builds. There wasn't the randomness to the sim that there is today or maybe builds are just closer now. But he wouldn't have the build advantage, and he was never anything special as a coordinator. So it is completely out of the question for him or anyone to dominate like that again, don't be ridiculous.
You're one of the ones who said that you were surprised that his builds weren't anything special once he opened them. At least try not to contradict yourself when posting.

Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by O' HappyCow

Yes but now there are 100 Alloys. There isnt anyone who is that far ahead dot building wise, and even if they are, its not showing results wise like when Alloy was here.
He wasn't ahead dot-building wise, which is my whole point. When he opened his builds, many of us in the WL had dots equal or even slightly superior.

Originally posted by GMathiasf

back then there were massive difference between the build quality on the top teams and the other WL teams. It didn't matter how good coordinating was you weren't beating Valhalla unless you had the Blaze quality builds. There wasn't the randomness to the sim that there is today or maybe builds are just closer now. But he wouldn't have the build advantage, and he was never anything special as a coordinator. So it is completely out of the question for him or anyone to dominate like that again, don't be ridiculous.
You're one of the ones who said that you were surprised that his builds weren't anything special once he opened them. At least try not to contradict yourself when posting.

Yes but to have your whole team built one specific way is still considered dots building. They were so far ahead of everyone when it came to building their dots on a team level. sure other teams had similar dot but no one had similar quality of dots and had team wide VAs and a team style. before that, it was just about getting the best built dot and making it fit onto your team. where as they had dots that fit in perfectly with their team and they were perfectly built for the time.

Originally posted by jdbolick

You're one of the ones who said that you were surprised that his builds weren't anything special once he opened them. At least try not to contradict yourself when posting.

they weren't special, but to have an entire team of them was. They were comparable to most of the great builders out there, but nothing really surprised me at all. The problem is that back then most teams were a clusterfuck of underleveled, declining, and peak level dots. They were from many different builders and we often had to make do with converted offensive FB builds or a bunch of ok builds mixed in with great builds. Very few teams were built well top to bottom. It's not like that now at all.

In addition, teams were buying EQ on an availability of money basis. Valhalla had an entire team of level 72 equipped dots. Made a huge difference.

Originally posted by GMathiasf


In addition, teams were buying EQ on an availability of money basis. Valhalla had an entire team of level 72 equipped dots. Made a huge difference.

And a team of mostyl all 3-4 aeq with +3attribute and +5%aeq that was all double/triple stacked team wide to go along with coordinating stacking VAs. People had a few dots here and there with good attributes and stuff but no one else came close to having a 55man roster quite like that. Madcow could've gotten out of the 1st round with the advantage alloy had

Originally posted by Bladnach
Originally posted by GMathiasf



In addition, teams were buying EQ on an availability of money basis. Valhalla had an entire team of level 72 equipped dots. Made a huge difference.

And a team of mostyl all 3-4 aeq with +3attribute and +5%aeq that was all double/triple stacked team wide to go along with coordinating stacking VAs. No one else came close to having a 55man roster like that. Madcow could've gotten out of the 1st round with the advantage alloy had

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