To the speed thing I will say that my first build was a Blitzing LB. I didn't cap Speed to 81 until later. Now I keep getting bumbled to MLB because my speed is only 115. So cap it sooner rather then later. Now I'm wasting SP trying to play catch up.
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just quickly wanted to say thanks to everyone for there advice... played a game today and recorded my 1st sack... SURE it wasn't a reg season game, but we lost, so the team was better and I merc'd that QB. WOOO
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Originally posted by drewd21
Have to disagree with this
To be completely honest, I have no problem hearing that.... The majority of people tend think multi-training is the way to go.... yet, I can't remember seeing hardly any multi-trained LB racking up sack trophies or MVP trophies. Yet multi-trained LBs sure look good on paper....
Have to disagree with this
To be completely honest, I have no problem hearing that.... The majority of people tend think multi-training is the way to go.... yet, I can't remember seeing hardly any multi-trained LB racking up sack trophies or MVP trophies. Yet multi-trained LBs sure look good on paper....
Edited by Alzado on Jun 20, 2011 00:34:22
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Originally posted by Alzado
To be completely honest, I have no problem hearing that.... The majority of people tend think multi-training is the way to go.... yet, I can't remember seeing hardly any multi-trained LB racking up sack trophies or MVP trophies. Yet multi-trained LBs sure look good on paper....
that has more to do with multi-training being relatively young... they haven't even hit the WL yet. And technically, all of my WL guys multi-trained back then... but we were limited by 2 attribute trains. Also, the other issue with blitzing LB's is that they require certain SA's and attributes to be fully completed before they're properly equipped to handle the duties of the job.
I'm happy for you that you think you've found some hidden secret on building by not multi-training... but you're really missing the boat on this one.
To be completely honest, I have no problem hearing that.... The majority of people tend think multi-training is the way to go.... yet, I can't remember seeing hardly any multi-trained LB racking up sack trophies or MVP trophies. Yet multi-trained LBs sure look good on paper....
that has more to do with multi-training being relatively young... they haven't even hit the WL yet. And technically, all of my WL guys multi-trained back then... but we were limited by 2 attribute trains. Also, the other issue with blitzing LB's is that they require certain SA's and attributes to be fully completed before they're properly equipped to handle the duties of the job.
I'm happy for you that you think you've found some hidden secret on building by not multi-training... but you're really missing the boat on this one.
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Originally posted by Homage
Originally posted by Kanyeezy
Vision is the 3rd key att for a blitz lb... Speed,Agility,Vision,Tackle. Trust me it does more then you'd think. Gets you off the line faster.
tackling > vision... sorry.
Does height and weight have any effect on a blitz LB? what about on a MLB and a coverage LB?
Originally posted by Kanyeezy
Vision is the 3rd key att for a blitz lb... Speed,Agility,Vision,Tackle. Trust me it does more then you'd think. Gets you off the line faster.
tackling > vision... sorry.
Does height and weight have any effect on a blitz LB? what about on a MLB and a coverage LB?
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Originally posted by smokeydabear
Does height and weight have any effect on a blitz LB? what about on a MLB and a coverage LB?
Probably want light weight and tall... or short and light weight.
MLB depends on it's main duty...
Coverage is definitely tall and light weight.
Does height and weight have any effect on a blitz LB? what about on a MLB and a coverage LB?
Probably want light weight and tall... or short and light weight.
MLB depends on it's main duty...
Coverage is definitely tall and light weight.
Edited by Homage on Jun 21, 2011 19:29:52
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Originally posted by Homage
that has more to do with multi-training being relatively young... they haven't even hit the WL yet. And technically, all of my WL guys multi-trained back then... but we were limited by 2 attribute trains. Also, the other issue with blitzing LB's is that they require certain SA's and attributes to be fully completed before they're properly equipped to handle the duties of the job.
I'm happy for you that you think you've found some hidden secret on building by not multi-training... but you're really missing the boat on this one.
I can't exactly remember when multi-training came about.... but I'm not convinced that a player that couldn't win a trophy in the lower leagues is suddenly going to start winning them in the WL (assuming he's playing in a consistent system with an equally competent DC as he moves up the food chain). I've never advocated that there's been some hidden secret to building a blitzing LB.... I just know that for all the hype behind multi-training.... I'm not seeing it translate on the field quite yet.
I think it really comes down to what attributes and SA's really impact a blitzing LBs success. For those that multi-train, they tend to advocate several attributes as being essential even if it means not maxing out SAs. Those that don't buy into the multi-train propaganda tend to advocate that after speed and agility, SAs dominate performance.... thereby rendering multi-training useless.
that has more to do with multi-training being relatively young... they haven't even hit the WL yet. And technically, all of my WL guys multi-trained back then... but we were limited by 2 attribute trains. Also, the other issue with blitzing LB's is that they require certain SA's and attributes to be fully completed before they're properly equipped to handle the duties of the job.
I'm happy for you that you think you've found some hidden secret on building by not multi-training... but you're really missing the boat on this one.
I can't exactly remember when multi-training came about.... but I'm not convinced that a player that couldn't win a trophy in the lower leagues is suddenly going to start winning them in the WL (assuming he's playing in a consistent system with an equally competent DC as he moves up the food chain). I've never advocated that there's been some hidden secret to building a blitzing LB.... I just know that for all the hype behind multi-training.... I'm not seeing it translate on the field quite yet.
I think it really comes down to what attributes and SA's really impact a blitzing LBs success. For those that multi-train, they tend to advocate several attributes as being essential even if it means not maxing out SAs. Those that don't buy into the multi-train propaganda tend to advocate that after speed and agility, SAs dominate performance.... thereby rendering multi-training useless.
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Originally posted by Alzado
Originally posted by Homage
that has more to do with multi-training being relatively young... they haven't even hit the WL yet. And technically, all of my WL guys multi-trained back then... but we were limited by 2 attribute trains. Also, the other issue with blitzing LB's is that they require certain SA's and attributes to be fully completed before they're properly equipped to handle the duties of the job.
I'm happy for you that you think you've found some hidden secret on building by not multi-training... but you're really missing the boat on this one.
I can't exactly remember when multi-training came about.... but I'm not convinced that a player that couldn't win a trophy in the lower leagues is suddenly going to start winning them in the WL (assuming he's playing in a consistent system with an equally competent DC as he moves up the food chain). I've never advocated that there's been some hidden secret to building a blitzing LB.... I just know that for all the hype behind multi-training.... I'm not seeing it translate on the field quite yet.
I think it really comes down to what attributes and SA's really impact a blitzing LBs success. For those that multi-train, they tend to advocate several attributes as being essential even if it means not maxing out SAs. Those that don't buy into the multi-train propaganda tend to advocate that after speed and agility, SAs dominate performance.... thereby rendering multi-training useless.
What I think homage is getting at is there isn't enough body of work yet to prove multitraining is superior since it hasn't been around the full length of a dots career. If you look at it by the numbers on VPB you'd get a better picture of the difference of multitraining from normal training on base attributes.
Originally posted by Homage
that has more to do with multi-training being relatively young... they haven't even hit the WL yet. And technically, all of my WL guys multi-trained back then... but we were limited by 2 attribute trains. Also, the other issue with blitzing LB's is that they require certain SA's and attributes to be fully completed before they're properly equipped to handle the duties of the job.
I'm happy for you that you think you've found some hidden secret on building by not multi-training... but you're really missing the boat on this one.
I can't exactly remember when multi-training came about.... but I'm not convinced that a player that couldn't win a trophy in the lower leagues is suddenly going to start winning them in the WL (assuming he's playing in a consistent system with an equally competent DC as he moves up the food chain). I've never advocated that there's been some hidden secret to building a blitzing LB.... I just know that for all the hype behind multi-training.... I'm not seeing it translate on the field quite yet.
I think it really comes down to what attributes and SA's really impact a blitzing LBs success. For those that multi-train, they tend to advocate several attributes as being essential even if it means not maxing out SAs. Those that don't buy into the multi-train propaganda tend to advocate that after speed and agility, SAs dominate performance.... thereby rendering multi-training useless.
What I think homage is getting at is there isn't enough body of work yet to prove multitraining is superior since it hasn't been around the full length of a dots career. If you look at it by the numbers on VPB you'd get a better picture of the difference of multitraining from normal training on base attributes.
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Originally posted by ANumber1Roy
I am for multitraining the past few seasons since I saw the difference.
As am I.
If you built a dot on the first day of AT's (when multi-training rolled out) they'd be level 56 right now.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1976397
I can guarantee you that as soon as this dot hits the pros he will wreck shop.
Oh, BTW the team he's on is full of first generation multi-train dots (before we even knew how to do it properly) and they just took themselves to the playoffs in Regional Pro-Elite, and we had to place a request to make sure we didn't get promoted if there was space... considering we joined the league at level 50 that should say something about the difference that ONE extra season of multi-training makes.
Sure it's anecdotal as fuck, but their is no arguing with the efficiency. If you want to train 4+ attributes during the course of your dots career no matter how you slice it by the time you are done with all of them the 4-way multi-train will be your most efficient bet. Same amount of training sessions per training point, but you get a bigger % boost, and more Bonus Tokens if you do it 4 way. It's kind of hard to argue with the math. The boost to training % alone makes it more worthwhile over 3 way, and 2 way. And if you need to get just one attribute up fast, just intense train that one attribute, using 2 and 3 way just doesn't work. Plus you have the time to plan your builds so that you get everything trained in time with a 4 way multi-train.
I am for multitraining the past few seasons since I saw the difference.
As am I.
If you built a dot on the first day of AT's (when multi-training rolled out) they'd be level 56 right now.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1976397
I can guarantee you that as soon as this dot hits the pros he will wreck shop.
Oh, BTW the team he's on is full of first generation multi-train dots (before we even knew how to do it properly) and they just took themselves to the playoffs in Regional Pro-Elite, and we had to place a request to make sure we didn't get promoted if there was space... considering we joined the league at level 50 that should say something about the difference that ONE extra season of multi-training makes.
Sure it's anecdotal as fuck, but their is no arguing with the efficiency. If you want to train 4+ attributes during the course of your dots career no matter how you slice it by the time you are done with all of them the 4-way multi-train will be your most efficient bet. Same amount of training sessions per training point, but you get a bigger % boost, and more Bonus Tokens if you do it 4 way. It's kind of hard to argue with the math. The boost to training % alone makes it more worthwhile over 3 way, and 2 way. And if you need to get just one attribute up fast, just intense train that one attribute, using 2 and 3 way just doesn't work. Plus you have the time to plan your builds so that you get everything trained in time with a 4 way multi-train.
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Originally posted by Alzado
I can't exactly remember when multi-training came about.... but I'm not convinced that a player that couldn't win a trophy in the lower leagues is suddenly going to start winning them in the WL (assuming he's playing in a consistent system with an equally competent DC as he moves up the food chain). I've never advocated that there's been some hidden secret to building a blitzing LB.... I just know that for all the hype behind multi-training.... I'm not seeing it translate on the field quite yet.
I think it really comes down to what attributes and SA's really impact a blitzing LBs success. For those that multi-train, they tend to advocate several attributes as being essential even if it means not maxing out SAs. Those that don't buy into the multi-train propaganda tend to advocate that after speed and agility, SAs dominate performance.... thereby rendering multi-training useless.
Tackling, vision, strength, and stamina are all important aspects to a blitzing LB.
But yes... the SA's are very important to their success.
The higher your attributes are, the more impact your SA's make. And yes... there are plenty of dawts that don't win trophies at lower leagues and win them in WL. I have one of them:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=1397558
And he just happens to be a blitzing LB.
I can't exactly remember when multi-training came about.... but I'm not convinced that a player that couldn't win a trophy in the lower leagues is suddenly going to start winning them in the WL (assuming he's playing in a consistent system with an equally competent DC as he moves up the food chain). I've never advocated that there's been some hidden secret to building a blitzing LB.... I just know that for all the hype behind multi-training.... I'm not seeing it translate on the field quite yet.
I think it really comes down to what attributes and SA's really impact a blitzing LBs success. For those that multi-train, they tend to advocate several attributes as being essential even if it means not maxing out SAs. Those that don't buy into the multi-train propaganda tend to advocate that after speed and agility, SAs dominate performance.... thereby rendering multi-training useless.
Tackling, vision, strength, and stamina are all important aspects to a blitzing LB.
But yes... the SA's are very important to their success.
The higher your attributes are, the more impact your SA's make. And yes... there are plenty of dawts that don't win trophies at lower leagues and win them in WL. I have one of them:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=1397558
And he just happens to be a blitzing LB.
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Another example, no individual trophies until World league
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=1314535
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=1314535
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Originally posted by Alzado
I can't exactly remember when multi-training came about.... but I'm not convinced that a player that couldn't win a trophy in the lower leagues is suddenly going to start winning them in the WL (assuming he's playing in a consistent system with an equally competent DC as he moves up the food chain). I've never advocated that there's been some hidden secret to building a blitzing LB.... I just know that for all the hype behind multi-training.... I'm not seeing it translate on the field quite yet.
I think it really comes down to what attributes and SA's really impact a blitzing LBs success. For those that multi-train, they tend to advocate several attributes as being essential even if it means not maxing out SAs. Those that don't buy into the multi-train propaganda tend to advocate that after speed and agility, SAs dominate performance.... thereby rendering multi-training useless.
There is no room for debate, multi-training yeilds FAR better dots then any other method available. It should be started early, and last about 5 seasons at least. There are plenty of multi-training dots winning trophies at all levels. I did a number crunch season by season basis with a well known , Intense train advocate, who lightly multi-trained after a season or two, and the early multi-trained dots were 20-40 SPvalue higher after 5 seasons. This is not to say all non-multi-trained dots are crap, just all non multi-traned dots could have been alot better.
I can't exactly remember when multi-training came about.... but I'm not convinced that a player that couldn't win a trophy in the lower leagues is suddenly going to start winning them in the WL (assuming he's playing in a consistent system with an equally competent DC as he moves up the food chain). I've never advocated that there's been some hidden secret to building a blitzing LB.... I just know that for all the hype behind multi-training.... I'm not seeing it translate on the field quite yet.
I think it really comes down to what attributes and SA's really impact a blitzing LBs success. For those that multi-train, they tend to advocate several attributes as being essential even if it means not maxing out SAs. Those that don't buy into the multi-train propaganda tend to advocate that after speed and agility, SAs dominate performance.... thereby rendering multi-training useless.
There is no room for debate, multi-training yeilds FAR better dots then any other method available. It should be started early, and last about 5 seasons at least. There are plenty of multi-training dots winning trophies at all levels. I did a number crunch season by season basis with a well known , Intense train advocate, who lightly multi-trained after a season or two, and the early multi-trained dots were 20-40 SPvalue higher after 5 seasons. This is not to say all non-multi-trained dots are crap, just all non multi-traned dots could have been alot better.
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What would people reccomend a blitzing LB to multi-train while working on speed with SPs
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Originally posted by naraic
What would people reccomend a blitzing LB to multi-train while working on speed with SPs
speed, agility, tackling, strength
What would people reccomend a blitzing LB to multi-train while working on speed with SPs
speed, agility, tackling, strength
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