Originally posted by jamz
Yes, you're pretty much the worst.
Yes, you're pretty much the worst.
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Originally posted by willi_42
Looking to see what everyone thinks.
It's hard to say because the sim has changed so much. I know a lot of the safety builds I've had were originally created for a pass heavy sim when WL championships were in the 60s and 70s with 50 and 60 passing attempts, and in today's sim you've got to plan for screens, counters, etc... so currently my guys probably have lower strength than most other safeties, but have higher agility and vision.
General rule of thumb I use for FS's and SS's --> vision is much more important to FS's as you can get by with lower agility and more straight line speed, with the inverse being true for SS's. I would say for a Pro/WL level SS, right now you'd need 140+ speed, and 85+ agility (the higher to 90 the better). You need that higher agility to avoid/get off the block of FBs and TEs.
With DvG and the other tackling VAs, you can probably get by with tackling just at the 3:1, but the elite HBs will still get you. Probably should push higher, with strength to the 3:1 at least as well. Either way, 2 MT% or 1 MT% and 1 AF % is probably a must. 1 PD% piece too, along with a SA piece for a fourth AEQ. For SAs, unless you're a STOP, I would think most are in the coverage tree. SV seems like a must, although even now I'm not sure what all good it does heh. I've always been a fan of closing speed, especially for FS's, and going forward I think ZF will continue becoming more and more important (of course, that is all dependent on your DC).
Just my two cents.
Looking to see what everyone thinks.
It's hard to say because the sim has changed so much. I know a lot of the safety builds I've had were originally created for a pass heavy sim when WL championships were in the 60s and 70s with 50 and 60 passing attempts, and in today's sim you've got to plan for screens, counters, etc... so currently my guys probably have lower strength than most other safeties, but have higher agility and vision.
General rule of thumb I use for FS's and SS's --> vision is much more important to FS's as you can get by with lower agility and more straight line speed, with the inverse being true for SS's. I would say for a Pro/WL level SS, right now you'd need 140+ speed, and 85+ agility (the higher to 90 the better). You need that higher agility to avoid/get off the block of FBs and TEs.
With DvG and the other tackling VAs, you can probably get by with tackling just at the 3:1, but the elite HBs will still get you. Probably should push higher, with strength to the 3:1 at least as well. Either way, 2 MT% or 1 MT% and 1 AF % is probably a must. 1 PD% piece too, along with a SA piece for a fourth AEQ. For SAs, unless you're a STOP, I would think most are in the coverage tree. SV seems like a must, although even now I'm not sure what all good it does heh. I've always been a fan of closing speed, especially for FS's, and going forward I think ZF will continue becoming more and more important (of course, that is all dependent on your DC).
Just my two cents.
Edited by tbsteel on Jun 6, 2011 14:53:04
Originally posted by Gart888
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and his build would be a Regional Pro build nowadays. go figure
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and his build would be a Regional Pro build nowadays. go figure
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Originally posted by tbsteel
With DvG and the other tackling VAs, you can probably get by with tackling just at the 3:1, but the elite HBs will still get you. Probably should push higher, with strength to the 3:1 at least as well. Either way, 2 MT% or 1 MT% and 1 AF % is probably a must. 1 PD% piece too, along with a SA piece for a fourth AEQ. For SAs, unless you're a STOP, I would think most are in the coverage tree. SV seems like a must, although even now I'm not sure what all good it does heh. I've always been a fan of closing speed, especially for FS's, and going forward I think ZF will continue becoming more and more important (of course, that is all dependent on your DC).
Just my two cents.
why would you take strength to 3:1 if you were planning on using DvG?
Originally posted by bug03
Originally posted by tbsteel
With DvG and the other tackling VAs, you can probably get by with tackling just at the 3:1, but the elite HBs will still get you. Probably should push higher, with strength to the 3:1 at least as well. Either way, 2 MT% or 1 MT% and 1 AF % is probably a must. 1 PD% piece too, along with a SA piece for a fourth AEQ. For SAs, unless you're a STOP, I would think most are in the coverage tree. SV seems like a must, although even now I'm not sure what all good it does heh. I've always been a fan of closing speed, especially for FS's, and going forward I think ZF will continue becoming more and more important (of course, that is all dependent on your DC).
Just my two cents.
why would you take strength to 3:1 if you were planning on using DvG?
you wouldnt. You either need sub-50 str with DvG. Or 70+ str with Sure Tackler.
Originally posted by tbsteel
With DvG and the other tackling VAs, you can probably get by with tackling just at the 3:1, but the elite HBs will still get you. Probably should push higher, with strength to the 3:1 at least as well. Either way, 2 MT% or 1 MT% and 1 AF % is probably a must. 1 PD% piece too, along with a SA piece for a fourth AEQ. For SAs, unless you're a STOP, I would think most are in the coverage tree. SV seems like a must, although even now I'm not sure what all good it does heh. I've always been a fan of closing speed, especially for FS's, and going forward I think ZF will continue becoming more and more important (of course, that is all dependent on your DC).
Just my two cents.
why would you take strength to 3:1 if you were planning on using DvG?
you wouldnt. You either need sub-50 str with DvG. Or 70+ str with Sure Tackler.
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Originally posted by foshizzel17
you wouldnt. You either need sub-50 str with DvG. Or 70+ str with Sure Tackler.
exactly, and 3 cap on tackling is retarded
you wouldnt. You either need sub-50 str with DvG. Or 70+ str with Sure Tackler.
exactly, and 3 cap on tackling is retarded
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this dude has only allowed 2 receptions his entire career
this dude has only allowed 2 receptions his entire career
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Originally posted by bug03
why would you take strength to 3:1 if you were planning on using DvG?
Whoops, good catch. Yeah, DvG is definitely not for the guys who are pushing strength.
why would you take strength to 3:1 if you were planning on using DvG?
Whoops, good catch. Yeah, DvG is definitely not for the guys who are pushing strength.
Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Originally posted by evileyez
whats high? i can probably convince myself i see a difference in 90 vs 80 but it's a stretch.
For newly built safeties: 150 speed, 90 vision, 85 agility, 80 tackling or so. I think that should be good.
with MT%, PD%, CS and SV would be nice
Originally posted by evileyez
whats high? i can probably convince myself i see a difference in 90 vs 80 but it's a stretch.
For newly built safeties: 150 speed, 90 vision, 85 agility, 80 tackling or so. I think that should be good.
with MT%, PD%, CS and SV would be nice
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And just FYI, I was talking about upper level safeties right now, not the new ones on down the pipeline.
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Originally posted by superpunk
Originally posted by jamz
Yes, you're pretty much the worst.
Who invited the parrot?
Originally posted by jamz
Yes, you're pretty much the worst.
Who invited the parrot?
Originally posted by reddogrw
with MT%, PD%, CS and SV would be nice
Agreed, but I like rocking 3 AEQ on safeties since they need a lot of attributes. I ran one through to check how much CS I could still get, and was able to get 150 spd, 88 vis, 85 agi, 80 tck, 63 jmp, 60 stm, 50 str, 44 con, 6 CD, 10 SV, 2 SB, 2 SO, 5 CS, +22.5% MT chance, +15% PD chance. I think that would be pretty solid.
with MT%, PD%, CS and SV would be nice
Agreed, but I like rocking 3 AEQ on safeties since they need a lot of attributes. I ran one through to check how much CS I could still get, and was able to get 150 spd, 88 vis, 85 agi, 80 tck, 63 jmp, 60 stm, 50 str, 44 con, 6 CD, 10 SV, 2 SB, 2 SO, 5 CS, +22.5% MT chance, +15% PD chance. I think that would be pretty solid.
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Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Agreed, but I like rocking 3 AEQ on safeties since they need a lot of attributes. I ran one through to check how much CS I could still get, and was able to get 150 spd, 88 vis, 85 agi, 80 tck, 63 jmp, 60 stm, 50 str, 44 con, 6 CD, 10 SV, 2 SB, 2 SO, 5 CS, +22.5% MT chance, +15% PD chance. I think that would be pretty solid.
Agreed. In retrospect, I wish I'd built for just three AEQ instead of four for my safeties. Especially for a SS, they just have too many attribute needs.
Agreed, but I like rocking 3 AEQ on safeties since they need a lot of attributes. I ran one through to check how much CS I could still get, and was able to get 150 spd, 88 vis, 85 agi, 80 tck, 63 jmp, 60 stm, 50 str, 44 con, 6 CD, 10 SV, 2 SB, 2 SO, 5 CS, +22.5% MT chance, +15% PD chance. I think that would be pretty solid.
Agreed. In retrospect, I wish I'd built for just three AEQ instead of four for my safeties. Especially for a SS, they just have too many attribute needs.
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