Originally posted by VolBrian
Indicates where I think this thread should likely go, but I'm really on the fence on this one. I think you're asking for a nerf to punters, the thread you linked most certainly is. I disagree with that. What I think is "not working as intended" (I can also put quotes around it and be snarky too people) is that the total punt yards or even total punts may be factoring heavily into the calculations and if that's the truth, then Punters winning MVP is an unintended result of Blowout Adjusted Stats working in their favor and against returners.
If it's decided solely on punting average, then punters most certainly deserve a shot at MVP. I have a punter averaging 46.4 ypp and I'm sure there are some closer to 50.
It is for this confusion and/or unknown/needs-to-be-tweaked formula that I think this deserves a closer look.
Likely a bug.
Of course my punter is better because he's nailing his coffin corner attempts. But Bort doesn't have a stat penalizing Punters for touchbacks, nor does Bort reward punters for kicking the ball out of bounds instead of sending it deep.
There ought to be a stat for punters called 'out of bounds avg.' (average yard mark the ball goes out, if a touchback is kicked it counts as out at the 20) or 'coffin corner from' (similar to the range that kickers are making field goals from).
This will more accurately allow you to consider the abilities of the punter. Also, you are only rewarding distance (and perhaps tackling), when the punter should be rewarded for the following:
Distance
Tackles
Hang time of the Punt
Coffin Corners (rewarded)
Touchbacks (punished)
The fact that the Punters are only being measured on the first two catagories is not reflective at all of a quality punter.
Indicates where I think this thread should likely go, but I'm really on the fence on this one. I think you're asking for a nerf to punters, the thread you linked most certainly is. I disagree with that. What I think is "not working as intended" (I can also put quotes around it and be snarky too people) is that the total punt yards or even total punts may be factoring heavily into the calculations and if that's the truth, then Punters winning MVP is an unintended result of Blowout Adjusted Stats working in their favor and against returners.
If it's decided solely on punting average, then punters most certainly deserve a shot at MVP. I have a punter averaging 46.4 ypp and I'm sure there are some closer to 50.
It is for this confusion and/or unknown/needs-to-be-tweaked formula that I think this deserves a closer look.
Likely a bug.
Of course my punter is better because he's nailing his coffin corner attempts. But Bort doesn't have a stat penalizing Punters for touchbacks, nor does Bort reward punters for kicking the ball out of bounds instead of sending it deep.
There ought to be a stat for punters called 'out of bounds avg.' (average yard mark the ball goes out, if a touchback is kicked it counts as out at the 20) or 'coffin corner from' (similar to the range that kickers are making field goals from).
This will more accurately allow you to consider the abilities of the punter. Also, you are only rewarding distance (and perhaps tackling), when the punter should be rewarded for the following:
Distance
Tackles
Hang time of the Punt
Coffin Corners (rewarded)
Touchbacks (punished)
The fact that the Punters are only being measured on the first two catagories is not reflective at all of a quality punter.
