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Originally posted by whatje
the problem with 60 strength LBs is that other teams generally aren't stupid....they'll just start running at the LB who gets insta-caked basically. Actually, 68 still probably leaves that as a major issue...but it's not as absurdly low. if i were playing against that kind of defense with a stupid blitzer ROLB, i'd just run weakside all day.

To me, if you force a team to run weakside, you've already done your team a great service. Now maybe that will change, but right now forcing a team to run is a huge victory for the defense. Plus, the ROLB usually gets picked up by a FB or something and those builds rarely hold their blocks long.

Also, since offenses can't really tag, what's to stop the defense from subbing a different ROLB for all but the obvious passing situations like 2nd and 3rd and longs?

Originally posted by risico
To me, if you force a team to run weakside, you've already done your team a great service. Now maybe that will change, but right now forcing a team to run is a huge victory for the defense. Plus, the ROLB usually gets picked up by a FB or something and those builds rarely hold their blocks long.

Also, since offenses can't really tag, what's to stop the defense from subbing a different ROLB for all but the obvious passing situations like 2nd and 3rd and longs?

i more mean they get plowed thru and the offense gets really easy yards. i'm really not sure that forcing an offense to exploit your weakness is that great of a strategy, but i can't say it would never work. i just feel like the value of a build like that is negated by its obscenely low strength...so why not sacrifice a bit of your blitzing ability to at least be less of a liability? while it's nice to have specialists, i kinda think they shouldn't be so specialized that they can't even kinda hold their own against other potential threats....unless you were exclusively using this type of build on definite passing downs (pretty much 3D/4D & Long), it seems like you'd want more strength to me.

i dunno though, saigon uses an LB that looks like that relatively well...but he's definitely not unstoppable...and w/ better ALGs you can probably fix the problems that LB has.

Originally posted by whatje
the problem with 60 strength LBs is that other teams generally aren't stupid....they'll just start running at the LB who gets insta-caked basically. Actually, 68 still probably leaves that as a major issue...but it's not as absurdly low. if i were playing against that kind of defense with a stupid blitzer ROLB, i'd just run weakside all day.

Weakside? It wouldn't matter. Good D.C's are putting a blitzer at ROLB, RILB, LILB, MLB, and LOLB and just blitzing them from all kinds of angles.

Why is everyone putting so much tackling on a pure pass rusher.

If you leave tackling alone, you can have 84 strength to go along with 154 speed, 84 agility, and 84 vision. So what if your tackling attribute is ridiculously low, with that much strength, agility, and vision, you are still going to have a good tackling roll, especially when momentum is factored into the equation.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Why is everyone putting so much tackling on a pure pass rusher.

If you leave tackling alone, you can have 84 strength to go along with 154 speed, 84 agility, and 84 vision. So what if your tackling attribute is ridiculously low, with that much strength, agility, and vision, you are still going to have a good tackling roll, especially when momentum is factored into the equation.

Why do you put so much emphasis on str? Tackling is much better to have higher than str is for a blitzer.

Originally posted by Underdawg08
Why do you put so much emphasis on str? Tackling is much better to have higher than str is for a blitzer.

strength helps you run over HB or blocking FB or get by a blocking TE put over to your side. Tackling doesn't help with any of that.

Doesn't tackling help increase tackling radius though? Wouldn't that help with getting sacks?

Originally posted by risico
Doesn't tackling help increase tackling radius though? Wouldn't that help with getting sacks?

it doesn't increase it that much.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Why is everyone putting so much tackling on a pure pass rusher.

If you leave tackling alone, you can have 84 strength to go along with 154 speed, 84 agility, and 84 vision. So what if your tackling attribute is ridiculously low, with that much strength, agility, and vision, you are still going to have a good tackling roll, especially when momentum is factored into the equation.

thats a good point., when i was making the build i proposed, i guess i was just thinking "oh, its major, i guess i should do tackling now...", but, youre right in that tackling really isnt the end all be all for a blitzing LB. it usually doesnt take much to take down a QB, and the radius extension, as you said is fairly minimal. i dont know how i would edit the build i have on the first page to get strength to 70+ without taking tackling to a level which i would consider dangerously low... maybe take a cap out of tackling, or just rearrange the cap order, but more strength would be beneficial so you dont get caked on every run play or every time to get engaged. pass rusher and stone wall VAs should help, although it wont save you every time you are engaged with 140+ strength OL... in fact, you would still probably be caked more times than not if your strength is that low. again, the point of that kind of build is to not be touched when you blitz, but it is inevitable that you will be engaged at some time(s) during the game, and the other team will run the ball.

I guess that extra STR and some heavyweight will help you simply run over HBs that OCs are starting to leave in for blocking.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Why is everyone putting so much tackling on a pure pass rusher.

If you leave tackling alone, you can have 84 strength to go along with 154 speed, 84 agility, and 84 vision. So what if your tackling attribute is ridiculously low, with that much strength, agility, and vision, you are still going to have a good tackling roll, especially when momentum is factored into the equation.

This is from Bort's Q and A

Question: What are the factors a guard uses to determine which blizer or rusher to block?
Answer: It's a big checkdown list, started simple, ended complicated. Players generally try to block players over them first, then they go in an inside-out sort of progression, and then pick up other unblocked guys. After that, it's mostly proximity and risk based on tackling skill.

"risk based on tackling skill"

I'm assuming he means higher tackling/higher risk and the Olineman will choose to block a higher tackling dot than a lower tackling dot. This would make your build (w/ low tackling) even better - since their could be situations where Oline would pick up a blitzer or Dlineman with higher tackling.

4. Is 1187 enough to get some good AEQs? (I have no idea what a good piece costs - I'm I correct when I assume that a good piece is around 295 - 340?)

I did a little math on some +3 attribute +3% peices. If you wanted 4 of those you would need 1240 BT's, but it become less if you get some S.A's worth 15 BT's or something. Hopefully my math isn't off.

I figure
10 upgrades@24 BT x 4= 960 So no matter what you will need 960 BT's just to upgrade 4 pieces 10 times.

If you get 4 Peices of AEQ at 70 BT a peice 40 +3 attribute + a +3%(30 more) = 70x4=280

960+280 = 1240 and you will be pretty good to go.

And it would be a little cheaper if you went with 15 bt S.A's like first step. and 120?more BT's if you wanted to start at +5%.

^or if you shop. shopping, im my experience, makes things much cheaper. my lvl 32 SS will be able to have fully upgraded AEQ with only having spent 986 BTs.

Originally posted by Worker 3
^or if you shop. shopping, im my experience, makes things much cheaper. my lvl 32 SS will be able to have fully upgraded AEQ with only having spent 986 BTs.

Yes Indeed, shopping definitely helps. and Shopping should definitely be done at some point once you reach higher levels. It could save you a lot of BT's.

I have been shopping with my guys since level 22 and I am finding everything I need except the +5% pieces. not a single one. I am wondering what level those start showing up.
So far I have seen every S.A., +3 attributes, and +3% pieces respectively.

i actually got lucky and found a blank 5% pieces at level 30... although i'll admit i settled for two 3% pieces (so i have a 5% piece, two 3% pieces and an end of tree SA piece). i also found a few blank 5% break tackle pieces for my returner as early as lvl 27

and really, i would take +3 attributes. if you stack AEQ, its good to find that 5% piece, but after that, its more cost effective to try and find +3 pieces since adding 2% is cheaper than adding +3.