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I just watched that game again. I havent heard back from Bleeds yet but I believe they may have used a Token bonus vs us because the game played out like it normally does when one team uses them and the other team doesn't.

For the entire first quarter they could pass and we couldn't stop any of it no matter how good the coverage was. We got pump faked 5 times

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That helped build a 28-0 lead and pretty much destroyed all the moral we had.
The pump fake never fired again after that, only in the first quarter.

After that the game was a lot closer even though we were playing with poor moral and low energy. In fact by the 4th quasrter our energy was reading null, Ive never seen it read that before.
With the passing for them being back to normal, catch some drop others, the score was a lot closer. It was 10-7 by half time minus the 28 from the first quarter fiasco.

In the 3rd we scored and that made it 10-14
They turned around and got a kick off return for a TD (Moral/energy?)
so that made it 17-14

4th quarter
Defense has no energy (Null…lol and no moral)
Poor defense and a broken tackle on a pass they score 24-14
Same 31-14
We scored a TD 31-21
They got the following kick return 38-21



So why did all the pump fakes come ONLY in the first quarter? Game was fairly close considering our moral and energy had to be shit from the 2nd on.

No, we didn't token boost.

The game was also a lot closer later on because my blowout AI kicked in and it has shitty progressions.

Originally posted by Bleeds

You also haven't mentioned yet what exactly you want Bort to do to fix it....which is why your QQ rage-tear post is so entertaining. You think you're actually hiding behind the veil of a suggestion when you're not providing any numbers or the desired result other than to "make it not overpowered".

edited the stuff not relevant to the PF discussion I had at the end.

Bleeds, I am not going to get sucked into a hot steamy fling insults on the internet rage fest with you.
Also I'm good at pointing out things that are broken IMO without offering an intellectual opinion on the resolution of said problem. Reason being I have much more IRL to think about than putting together a white paper on "Pump Fake" and it's relative impact on the Pee Wee passing game. Not saying anyone else isn't busy IRL!! TBH, My statements are opinions that ATM are not backed up with empirical data or any other data. But I know this, when PeeWee agents that field the amount of players that I field every season and continue to get shit like this for a product, it's pretty simple, you know the rest.
YES, I do agree with you on the subject that I didn't offer up a solution to the problem. So here it is..

Dear Bort,
Please take that little SA called "Pump Fake" and turn the dial down from WTF to OMG at PeeWee Levels.
Danks!, Love Dirty Inc.

There memo sent.

Originally posted by LordEvil


For the entire first quarter they could pass and we couldn't stop any of it no matter how good the coverage was. We got pump faked 5 times That helped build a 28-0 lead and pretty much destroyed all the moral we had.
The pump fake never fired again after that, only in the first quarter.
So why did all the pump fakes come ONLY in the first quarter? Game was fairly close considering our moral and energy had to be shit from the 2nd on.


7 for 7 for 182 yards (5 Pump Fakes) in the 1st Quarter. Yes, it is working as intended.

I wish you would've taken your limited free time from your busy schedule to answer my questions instead of just whining for two more paragraphs.

at least this way you can't lose the argument. well played, I suppose.

Originally posted by DirtyMike
Originally posted by LordEvil



For the entire first quarter they could pass and we couldn't stop any of it no matter how good the coverage was. We got pump faked 5 times That helped build a 28-0 lead and pretty much destroyed all the moral we had.
The pump fake never fired again after that, only in the first quarter.
So why did all the pump fakes come ONLY in the first quarter? Game was fairly close considering our moral and energy had to be shit from the 2nd on.


7 for 7 for 182 yards (5 Pump Fakes) in the 1st Quarter. Yes, it is working as intended.



and then 0 PFs in the next 56 pass attempts. Yes, certainly broken

with you revealing the blowout AI kicking in and the WR progressions being "shitty" one wouldn't expect PF to be as effective. idk, why it didn't fire in the later quarters but Progression may have been the reason?

Originally posted by DirtyMike


Dear Bort,
Please take that little SA called "Pump Fake" and turn the dial down from WTF to OMG at PeeWee Levels.
Danks!, Love Dirty Inc.

There memo sent.



Good enough for me. That pretty much sums it up, let GLB's staff and testers do the rest. Problem is, our voice is rarely heard when it comes to sim flaws.. we've been asking for help on Kickoffs for 3 seasons now and nothing has been done about it.

There shouldn't be any argument about this.... watch the sims and it's pretty easy to see that pump fake and slants are overpowered in Pee Wee. I don't want to go back to the season where DuPrae79 and I only gave up 3 points per game , but the D needs a little early level help.. not much, but a little.

Whatever you want to call it.. exploits or plays that work better.. Pee Wee is a little too easy during the regular season.... You can run Shallow Cross, I Medium Cross, Deep Cross, WR Clear Out, Cross up and move the ball through the air. How much knowledge does it really take to do WR1, WR1, WR1, TE, WR1 on your progressions? Jack up speed on your WRs and almost ignore catching....

...but things change in the playoffs.. and this season should have outstanding matchups .. each conference is 6-8 teams deep of legit teams that will require game planning.

inb4halftheleagueischangingpassingprogressions

Its just funny, as no one was clamoring when CTown was Pump Faking guys at level 3.

oh rly? i remember saying this last year

Originally posted by MGeezy2186
Its just funny, as no one was clamoring when CTown was Pump Faking guys at level 3.

oh rly? i remember saying this last year

sorry, my perspective is limited to this season alone.

Season 15 - mid season is when Pump Fake came onto the Pee Wee scene.. we had to make adjustments to our builds to mitigate pump fake and catch fake (before catch fake was nerfed).. it was a pain in the arse.. Dharma and Lone Star were downright scary to game plan against...

this is nothing new - but as a community I don't think we've complained much about it. But if we do, we'll catch hell on the Suggestions board.. 85% of GLB agents still thinks Pee Wee is all about the run..

Id still rather have a passing game with some issues than revert back to a rushing only league. That was kinda boring and mindless.

Bort is going to test it out

Originally posted by
Bort Pump fake is awefully effective at the pee wee level. Players only need 5 in pump fake and they can fake the Cb in the play and a FS a mile away, is it possible to give Cbs a bonus or lower the effective pump fakle in pee wees? Thank you for making passing better but now people are abusing pump fake.
Originally posted by

Something like a reverse of the sliding scale for passing for defense? Worth a test run on the test server at least. We'll put it on the list.[/quote/

Originally posted by Lone Star Mercs
Id still rather have a passing game with some issues than revert back to a rushing only league. That was kinda boring and mindless.

+1