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Originally posted by 1kwerdna
don't be the one guy Dtown

Listen up man. I have stated I was burning flex for the past season and will continue my trend next season.
I clearly posted it in the Gold Owner League Forum. So it is nothing new.

I think it is up to the Owners ehhh?

I think I have about 1-2 seasons of flex to use, before I would feel comfortable walking away from GLB until it comes out of beta. So there will still be some flex in the account and I will still own the Team and all the hardwork that was put into it. The Team would just be floating around in cyberspace somewhere. We are giving up our spot in Gold after next season or 2 anyway, cause after 7 seasons, I do not see anyone knocking us out

Originally posted by 1kwerdna
The big name teams will come.. it's going to end up being like one or two teams that aren't down for it

Yep, and that's why we are told we could NEVER get this done. Well, I"m still going to try.


If there are teams that do not agree, they need to ask themselves why? If D~Town's reason is to burn his flex and get out of the game, that's fine. We all know he's tired of the BS and probably wants out of GLB. But, he would be helping Bort out by being not agreeing to this. To keep the math simple, let's say 40 players per team (on average) buy custom EQ.. 40x32= 1,280 dots with custom EQ - that's 768,000 flex not counting the 300 flex to fill out an SA tree. That's over 150 - 5000 flex packages which is roughly 6,000$ .

Posting in Suggestions doesn't get us anywhere- if we want to be heard we affect the one place GLB will "feel" it.. and that's Bort's wallet or manpurse or whatever he carries.

You actually think this sim will ever come out of Beta D? I don't see that anytime soon. How long have we been waiting on that. Bort updates about as good as Darkenbane did....

Originally posted by mccollums
If there are teams that do not agree, they need to ask themselves why? If D~Town's reason is to burn his flex and get out of the game, that's fine. We all know he's tired of the BS and probably wants out of GLB. But, he would be helping Bort out by being not agreeing to this. To keep the math simple, let's say 40 players per team (on average) buy custom EQ.. 40x32= 1,280 dots with custom EQ - that's 768,000 flex not counting the 300 flex to fill out an SA tree. That's over 150 - 5000 flex packages which is roughly 6,000$

So basically, teams who aren't agreeing, are just paying Bort from other people's money then?

Originally posted by mccollums
Originally posted by 1kwerdna

The big name teams will come.. it's going to end up being like one or two teams that aren't down for it

Yep, and that's why we are told we could NEVER get this done. Well, I"m still going to try.


If there are teams that do not agree, they need to ask themselves why? If D~Town's reason is to burn his flex and get out of the game, that's fine. We all know he's tired of the BS and probably wants out of GLB. But, he would be helping Bort out by being not agreeing to this. To keep the math simple, let's say 40 players per team (on average) buy custom EQ.. 40x32= 1,280 dots with custom EQ - that's 768,000 flex not counting the 300 flex to fill out an SA tree. That's over 150 - 5000 flex packages which is roughly 6,000$ .

Posting in Suggestions doesn't get us anywhere- if we want to be heard we affect the one place GLB will "feel" it.. and that's Bort's wallet or manpurse or whatever he carries.




i agree that its beneficial to not use our flex as quickly, but I know im starting to get burned out, and I know i wont buy another flex point, and tbh im kinda over this game...I'm merging my team w DSBM so I dont have to recruit anywhere near as much, and I dont have to run an entire team...if that goes as I expect, I still can only see myself playing another few seasons, short of something drastic improving the sim...im tired of all the bullshit that gets put into this game while the sim has gotten worse...and im not saying their not trying to make it better, its just I feel ive gone as far as i can with this game

unless Deep Baby Throwers win Gold next year

Originally posted by nlthorne
You actually think this sim will ever come out of Beta D? I don't see that anytime soon. How long have we been waiting on that. Bort updates about as good as Darkenbane did....

I think this was directed to me. If it was.
In short. Here is my reasoning. I do realize this game might not be out of beta until season 20-25
I have many upper level players and need to retire them for the long term (So the owners can find replacements) I have already notified all of them. I removed myself from other teams coordinator/GM roles. The players all are almost worth 3k 5k flex.
Once I retire I do not feel comfortable letting my account sit with 50k + in flex. (Also as long as I am involved in PeeWee league, If I see coordinators coordinating more than 1 team I will never be for this) Reason is coordinators for the most part can not CEQ, Boost and Tree 2 and 3 Teams they are involved with. So this idea really just falls into there hands, since they can't keep all the teams they coordinate @ the strength as if they just worked on 1 team.
We are still in Gold and well as long as we are in Gold we will be actively burning up flex and fighting the good fight.

I will renew ownership for my Team and keep it for if/when GLB comes out of Beta. After my flex account is at a comfortable level (without any more purchases) We will ask for a demotion from Gold to Silver (I think this is as low as they will let an established team go.) Continue to buy ownership until the game comes out of beta and make a climb from Silver to Gold with hopefully a stable sim.

(As long as Coordinators are on multiple Teams I will never go for this even when we come back)
I know it cost a pretty penny to CEQ, Boost, and SA Tree a player as I have made many. However I know it would be even harder for a coordinator to do it that facilitates 2, 3, or 4 teams.

Originally posted by Djmr
So basically, teams who aren't agreeing, are just paying Bort from other people's money then?

If you want to look at it that way, sure. Not sure if you're trying to make a point or just making a statement.

That paragraph was aimed towards D~Town, who is frustrated with Bort and this game. Maybe it wasn't the most well thought out point - but I would have assumed that D~Town would be all for this idea.

I didn't start this thread because I want to start a GLB riot. I started this because we have tried to point out through the Suggestions forum that one and done players are too expensive. Is there anyone here that disagrees with that?
Do we need to start from Square 1 ? and explain why we are attempting this?

I'm going to update the original post in a bit..

to me it's simple, 70% rate of return is not fair for competitive Pee Wee players that build players for the short term... we all know the game is geared for the upper levels..... yet Bort Ok'd and created our Pee Wee structure ... maybe he didn't know that Pee Wee would get this competitive.. but it exists and to win we try to gain whatever edge we can.

We posted at the same time D~Town... lol

You know how hard it is to get something changed for the lower levels. If we can get everyone on board, MAYBE we can get a change to help us out.

I don't want Pee Wee Gold to NOT custom EQ every season... just next season. That's if we don't get any help from Bort and company this off-season regarding 1 and done players.

So, this would be the plan

Post one more time on the Suggestions board asking for the GLB staff to give some help for 1 and done players - whether it's higher rate of return for early retirement or Pee Wee Custom EQ. If we don't get anywhere, then we try the no custom EQ in Gold for next season and see if GLB will listen to us.

Originally posted by mccollums
If you want to look at it that way, sure. Not sure if you're trying to make a point or just making a statement.

That paragraph was aimed towards D~Town, who is frustrated with Bort and this game. Maybe it wasn't the most well thought out point - but I would have assumed that D~Town would be all for this idea.

I didn't start this thread because I want to start a GLB riot. I started this because we have tried to point out through the Suggestions forum that one and done players are too expensive. Is there anyone here that disagrees with that?
Do we need to start from Square 1 ? and explain why we are attempting this?

I'm going to update the original post in a bit..

to me it's simple, 70% rate of return is not fair for competitive Pee Wee players that build players for the short term... we all know the game is geared for the upper levels..... yet Bort Ok'd and created our Pee Wee structure ... maybe he didn't know that Pee Wee would get this competitive.. but it exists and to win we try to gain whatever edge we can.


I agree with this. I spend about just as much money as anyone, and never ask anyone on my team to do anything more than what I am capable of doing myself. It has always been that way.

If coordinators were to only coordinate only 1 team in Gold I would be all over this with +1.
coordinators should only run one team in Gold or Silver, just like you can only purchase one team in PeeWee League. Which I am sure is the reason it was meant for.

We need to bump some suggestions that got buried and get the
buzzing again.

The problem would be that I don't like the idea that CEQ would be bought and then equipped right before a playoff game. I can tell you guys that FG will have CEQ for the playoffs because we are not getting knocked out like that.

I am just saying as long as coordinators are going to facilitate 2 or more teams, we will be a CEQ, Boosting Team to counter it as much as possible. Coordinators can really try to win certain games and fluff off other games and it is detrimental to the competitiveness of PeeWee Gold to let guys work on multiple teams. This is something I won't waiver from, but just my opinion.

Originally posted by D~Town
I am just saying as long as coordinators are going to facilitate 2 or more teams, we will be a CEQ, Boosting Team to counter it as much as possible. Coordinators can really try to win certain games and fluff off other games and it is detrimental to the competitiveness of PeeWee Gold to let guys work on multiple teams. This is something I won't waiver from, but just my opinion.

I bitched about this last season and basically got ripped a new one for my thoughts.

Anyone have a solution for this general issue? We can bitch all day about it, but until we propose a solution that both sides would agree on, nothing will get done.

A simple solution would be that the 70% mark kicks in after the normal amount of time a Pee-Wee player would retire a 1-&-done player. Before that time, a higher % of return on CEQ/Boosting would be better, say 85%?

I want to chime in with a different perspective on the whole "Drop the cost of PeeWee" argument. While I am all for saving money, I can see dramatically dropping the cost of playing to have some significant downsides. First of all, Bort has no incentive to drop the price, as there will always be folks willing to spend the money to get to, and stay in, Gold. Might not be the same power houses as today, but there will always be players willing to spend the cash. PeeWee is Bort's cash cow, so why would he change things to appease the us? From a purely business standpoint, I totally understand why he isn't changing things.

More importantly, I see it having an extremely negative effect on us as players. There are already complaints by a number of people about agents GM'ing multiple teams. If it costs only a fraction of what it costs now, I would think there would be a much larger likelihood of this increasing. Or more likely, there would be an uptick in the number of "Multi" accounts. I would guess it wouldn't take long for there to be a handful of people completely dominating Gold for many seasons. While this is already the case, it seems that the cost is the only thing that really drives turnover in Gold. It also is probably a large factor in why there aren't more people using multiple accounts to own numerous teams. At best, there would be only 32 agents able to experience Gold, because every owner would likely own all 55 players. The current pricing structure is the only thing making it even remotely beneficial to not create your whole team. As it stands, unless you are made of money, you're not likely to be able to run a full 55 player team of your own players for very long. Eventually, most of us will need to start filling our teams with players created by other agents in order to distribute the expense. I know I won't be able to keep up this many players for long.

Really, I think that's what Bort would prefer. For it to be too expensive to field all 55 players for your team. By making it cost prohibitive to do so, more agents get to create players to play in the elite level of PeeWee (Gold). Thus, more paying customers get the satisfaction and continue to spend money. And to be honest, I'd be willing to bet Bort wants all the top dogs out of Gold anyways. They tend to be the most vocal about the issues, because they have been around long enough to experience all the issues and get tired of it. I would guess Bort would prefer new blood every few seasons. Take me for instance. I read all these anger posts, and all the hate between some of the top players and don't get it. I'm just excited to be in Gold. Now, three seasons from now, I'll probably hate all of you, Bort, GLB, game planning, bugs, etc... and say F this and rage quit. Then some new team will move up into Gold and wonder why I was such a crabby bitch.

OK, all that being said, I'm on board with No Boost / No CEQ next season, lol