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Originally posted by Thundercat_12
Big Ben sucks, sorry glass but he's the worst fanatsy QB ever! And pretty crappy in real life as well! And his hometown is only 30 min from me

Fantasy....yes, he isn't a stat machine.....actual QB he is the 3rd best in the league currently......and the best QB in clutch situations, He has something like 18 total game winning drives in his career - which is an NFL record. Show me a QB that has accomplished more than Ben has his first 5 years....Game manager?! ROFL! Did you not watch the last super bowl?

Sorry glass I strongly disagree with you. Big Ben is a game manager! Its the Steelers undisputed best damn defense ever that makes them win, but Big Ben sucks. They need to entirely redo their QB, RB, and WR's for the Steelers to be an offensive force. They are a strong team im not denying that, but solely based on their defense alone.

Go Bengals

Originally posted by Thundercat_12
Sorry glass I strongly disagree with you. Big Ben is a game manager! Its the Steelers undisputed best damn defense ever that makes them win, but Big Ben sucks. They need to entirely redo their QB, RB, and WR's for the Steelers to be an offensive force. They are a strong team im not denying that, but solely based on their defense alone.

You're insane. Big Ben has done more with an offense in 5 years than pretty much any current QB (51 wins in 5 seasons, lol). The only two active QBs I see as better are Brady and Manning. Without Big Ben, the Steelers would have lost the Super Bowl. Their defense comes up huge for them, but they put the offense in position to win games, they don't win the games. The only major issue on offense is the line - our QB, RBs and WRs are solid. Which team do you root for so I know when to laugh if Big Ben smokes them? No quarterback is as amazing under pressure than Big Ben. The medicore OL he has working with him means he is CONSTANTLY under pressure, yet he thrives and is able to extend the play and find an opening.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z5dqelV_8s

week 2 against the Bears. I think Ben is a good qb, but I also think that the defense is what makes the Steelers. The Cardinals D is just bad, that's why the Steelers put up the numbers they did in the Super Bowl.

Originally posted by NckllChicago
week 2 against the Bears. I think Ben is a good qb, but I also think that the defense is what makes the Steelers. The Cardinals D is just bad, that's why the Steelers put up the numbers they did in the Super Bowl.

The defense is definitely the force behind the Steelers, but to say Big Ben is not an elite quarterback is just downright naive. I wish the defensive coordinators around the league thought like that :]