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Yeah Cupp is tearin' it up!

I can throw 1 player in the hat from the Magic Dragons and that would be lb Ales Zupancov....the guy has not missed 1 tackle all season and is among the leaders in tackles for linebackers.

And at the risk of sounding unpopular I am not on the Cupp bandwagon, or the bandwagon of any Zeta top performer. Unfortunately the Zeta conference in my mind is horrid compared to Alpha, especially when you see that Alpha's #7 team beat Zeta's #7 team by 40+ points and a team that has 0 wins in Alpha almost toppled the #6 Zeta team. Sorry guys, if ya ain't in Alpha can't buy into the gawdy numbers.

Oh and I support all the Tulsa starters, just cuz I am a homer and think my team rocks. Specifically

Darius Amrtaka - #1 in Rushing yards and TDs in Alpha, only 13 rushes against gutted team
Gregorian Jones - starting FB for #1 Rushing HB in Alpha
Offensive Line starters - Blocking for #1 rusher in Alpha, 5th lowest sacks in Alpha
OOOPs my Bad - 500 yards in 2 games in Alpha conference (new acquisition starting w/ Dragons game)
Mattster - DT on 4th best team stopping run and pass, 9 sacks, 12 hurries, 37 tackles as a DT
Ulius Eppers - 18 sacks, 19 hurries
Big Ball'a - Watch him play, nothing gets by him and it's rare anyone goes at him
Drew - As above
Compound FX - As above
Sean Thomas - #1 in Ints, 35 PDs, 33 Tackles
Franklin Dean - #9 in ints, #5 in PDs

Flame away....

***Edited for Goldie****

Originally posted by eastcoastbrian
And at the risk of sounding unpopular I am not on the Cupp bandwagon, or the bandwagon of any Zeta top performer. Unfortunately the Zeta conference in my mind is horrid compared to Alpha, especially when you see that Alpha's #7 team beat Zeta's #7 team by 40+ points and a team that has 0 wins in Alpha almost toppled the #6 Zeta team. Sorry guys, if ya ain't in Alpha can't buy into the gawdy numbers.

Oh and I support all the Tulsa starters, just cuz I am a homer and think my team rocks. Specifically

Darius Amrtaka
Gregorian Jones
Offensive Line starters
OOOPs my Bad
Mattster
Ulius Eppers
Big Ball'a
Drew
Compound FX
Sean Thomas
Franklin Dean

Flame away....

i want people to post reasons, i dont want names simply posted. im going to put a lot of time in to this, all i ask is you guys put 30 seconds in and explain the reasoning.

and zeta as a whole sucks, but its top three teams (and probably four) are absolute favorites against any alpha team. the cream of zeta is far better than anything alpha has to offer. and dont talk about gawdy numbers when zeta doesnt get to play a team full of level 1's.

tulsa is a good team but cupp and crash would still get 450 yards and we'd still hold your runners under 150.

I also risk riding the "flame train" for supporting Alpha players over Zeta. I don't have motivation to make any recommendations at this point in time, but I will soon. As for saying Zeta players are inferior, that is not what I am saying. There are many good players over there, but you have to look past the stats, because many of their games were against some absolute cupcake teams. I will make my recommendations later, and it WILL include Zeta players, but I can assure you the list will have 2-3 times more Alpha players.


Here is "proof". Make your own judgment:

Alpha top 3 rushers (based on yards, this is NOT my pro bowl list):

1) Darius Amrtake
Rushes: 267
Yards: 1795
YPC: 6.7

2) Lamar the ankle breaker
Rushes: 250
Yards: 1791
YPC: 7.2

3) Gored by Gore
Rushes: 231
Yards: 1521
YPC: 6.6

Zeta top 3 rushers (based on yards, this is NOT my pro bowl list):

1) Mark Cupp
Rushes: 284
Yards: 3681
YPC: 13

2) Mahja Greystrom
Rushes: 134
Yards: 1904
YPC: 14.2

3) Crash O'leary
Rushes: 141
Yards: 1673.5
YPC: 11.9

Now, it is not by superior build, massive level advantages, or far superior supporting team quality (line, FB, etc) that these zeta backs are averaging TWICE that of the Alpha backs. The main difference is competition. I know, I am preaching to the choir, we all know Alpha is the better conference.

So to add a little more to the comparison, Crash and my back (Dirty Dingleberry) were highly comparable back in our old league. We played similar competition, had similar team builds (it was a capped league and we both had the best players we could have at the time), and in the end, had similar stats. We had an respectful argument at the end of the season, and we both had supporters saying one back or the other was the best. So I'll take that as they were very close in skill. As you can see from stats this season, Dirty isn't posting numbers anywhere near that of Crash. Now, I'm making the critical assumption that Crash's agent hasn't been building his player much much better than myself. It that is the case, I should probably retire my back. I can say, that although Dirty isn't the greatest build ever at this point in time, I cannot attribute 6-7 extra YPC to a inferior build since our last league together. Therefore, if you have read this far, my conclusion is that Crash's stats would be greatly similar to that of Dirty's currently if his team were to be in Alpha. Extrapolate those findings to the other 2 backs on the top 3 zeta rusher list, and take from that what you want.

Originally posted by cam69
I also risk riding the "flame train" for supporting Alpha players over Zeta. I don't have time to make any recommendations at this point in time, but I will soon. As for saying Zeta players are inferior, that is not what I am saying. There are many good players over there, but you have to look past the stats, because many of their games were against some absolute cupcake teams. I will make my recommendations later, and it WILL include Zeta players, but I can assure you the list will have 2-3 times more Alpha players.

Look past the stats? And none of you guys in Alpha are taking turns to see who can score 400 points on Stockholm?

Originally posted by jascrozier
Originally posted by cam69

I also risk riding the "flame train" for supporting Alpha players over Zeta. I don't have time to make any recommendations at this point in time, but I will soon. As for saying Zeta players are inferior, that is not what I am saying. There are many good players over there, but you have to look past the stats, because many of their games were against some absolute cupcake teams. I will make my recommendations later, and it WILL include Zeta players, but I can assure you the list will have 2-3 times more Alpha players.

Look past the stats? And none of you guys in Alpha are taking turns to see who can score 400 points on Stockholm?

Ok, name the pitiful teams in Alpha. Count the number of teams that we padded our stats against. For every 2 teams you list, I'll list 3 Zeta teams that are equivalent or worse.

Originally posted by jascrozier
Originally posted by cam69

I also risk riding the "flame train" for supporting Alpha players over Zeta. I don't have time to make any recommendations at this point in time, but I will soon. As for saying Zeta players are inferior, that is not what I am saying. There are many good players over there, but you have to look past the stats, because many of their games were against some absolute cupcake teams. I will make my recommendations later, and it WILL include Zeta players, but I can assure you the list will have 2-3 times more Alpha players.

Look past the stats? And none of you guys in Alpha are taking turns to see who can score 400 points on Stockholm?

The Winemakers just put up over 200 points in back to back weeks and have several other games over 100 points. Don't tell me they could do that in Alpha.

Hell on Turf's Zip Tie (CB) : Top 10 in PD's, 74 tackles with only 2 missed, 2 int returned for a TD. All this and does not play for an elite team.

Newcastle Magpies Speed Demos (WR) 87 receptions 1157 yads in 9 games.

fine lets look at common opponents


oslo vs ayrshire:

gore: 7 for 87, 5.1 average, 4 broken tackles

barcelona vs ayrshire:

dirty: 25 for 115, 4.6 average, 2 broken tackles

lyon vs ayrshire:

cupp: 30 for 242, 8.1 average, 19 broken tackles
crash: 24 for 182, 7.6 average, 11 broken tackles


while it is impossible to compare games and situations, we are a team that can run on anyone, and none of the defenses in alpha impress me all that much, from a team that has already played the best defense in a4, krakow.

zeta's 3 top teams are head and shoulders above every alpha team in my opinion. i know that krakow is the best team in the league, and it should be plain to everyone to see it. i also know that my team can easily beat what many people think the best team in alpha is, in stockholm, because we have done it and we are a team that improved more over this past season than they did. i am fully confident that the rosters and game planning minds behind the top three teams in zeta would have their teams as the top three teams in alpha as well. from where it stands now, i think only oslo, tulsa, stockholm, and the red lights could be guaranteed playoff spots in zeta if the conferences were switched.


while cupp obviously would have his numbers toned down in alpha, he can still easily run for 2-300 yards on any defense in this league, save for krakow, the one true great defense that there is in this league.


whatever, dont like that? keep touting your leagues "top" teams and zeta can rest on its laurels until the conference semifinals when the league championship will start to be won, while alpha has an 8 team tournament to determine its sacrificial lamb.

Originally posted by cam69
Originally posted by jascrozier

Originally posted by cam69


I also risk riding the "flame train" for supporting Alpha players over Zeta. I don't have time to make any recommendations at this point in time, but I will soon. As for saying Zeta players are inferior, that is not what I am saying. There are many good players over there, but you have to look past the stats, because many of their games were against some absolute cupcake teams. I will make my recommendations later, and it WILL include Zeta players, but I can assure you the list will have 2-3 times more Alpha players.

Look past the stats? And none of you guys in Alpha are taking turns to see who can score 400 points on Stockholm?

Ok, name the pitiful teams in Alpha. Count the number of teams that we padded our stats against. For every 2 teams you list, I'll list 3 Zeta teams that are equivalent or worse.

louisville, stockholm storm, helsinki, newcastle, palmetto, turff, arlington, in no particular order. i could name 3 zeta teams that are equivalent or worse for each two of those as well, but that doesnt change the fact that our top teams are just better than yours.

Originally posted by goldielax25
Originally posted by cam69

Originally posted by jascrozier


Originally posted by cam69



I also risk riding the "flame train" for supporting Alpha players over Zeta. I don't have time to make any recommendations at this point in time, but I will soon. As for saying Zeta players are inferior, that is not what I am saying. There are many good players over there, but you have to look past the stats, because many of their games were against some absolute cupcake teams. I will make my recommendations later, and it WILL include Zeta players, but I can assure you the list will have 2-3 times more Alpha players.

Look past the stats? And none of you guys in Alpha are taking turns to see who can score 400 points on Stockholm?

Ok, name the pitiful teams in Alpha. Count the number of teams that we padded our stats against. For every 2 teams you list, I'll list 3 Zeta teams that are equivalent or worse.

louisville, stockholm storm, helsinki, newcastle, palmetto, turff, arlington, in no particular order. i could name 3 zeta teams that are equivalent or worse for each two of those as well, but that doesnt change the fact that our top teams are just better than yours.

For sake of argument, I am going to simply say fine, the top 3 teams in zeta are God. It doesn't hurt my argument one bit.

So if you say that for every 2 cupcake teams in alpha, there are 3 zetas.

Generally, cupcakes equal 3-400 yards of rushing, 15-20 (or more)ypc, 8 TDs, etc etc. (Insanely unrealistic stats. You might as well have 11 grade school kids playing against high schoolers...)
A decent defense, which is most of Alpha will put a good back around 150 yards, 5-6 YPC. (This is a good NFL team vs. someone like Detroit)
A Good defense will stuff even a good RB at <100 yards and 4 YPC

If you have 6 cupcake games, against absolute garbage, the stats you racked up in those games are going to far outweigh the couple games that you had to play against tough teams. They are just far too inflated to bring down. If the 2-3 ratio is correct, then we only have 4 cupcake conference teams to inflate stats.

I think you are missing the point completely. I never once said your running backs were garbage. I never once said they didn't belong in the pro bowl (I'm not sure if you were upset with my blatant attempt to make a point of zeta in the coaches poll. For all who obviously didn't see my ballot, I picked 7 teams from alpha and ranked the other 2/3 zeta teams quite low...for reason) Simply speaking, from a statistical standpoint, there are a greater number of better players in Alpha (more better teams equates to a much larger population of talented players). If there is a much greater proportion of better players in Alpha, just speaking statistics, more players are going to come from that conference if I were to pick 10 players who I thought were the best.

But it seems as though your last 2 points that I have read came largely from what seems like spite and anger that people aren't just accepting your word as God. I'll hand it to you, you spend a great deal of time on this game and have a good knowledge of it. It doesn't mean I am willing to accept your opinion without skepticism. Unless GLB changed formats and had every team play every other team the same number of times, these debates can and will never be solved so all parties are completely satisfied. With that said, you are allowed your opinion, and me mine. In a fair ballot system, my vote counts as much as yours or anyone else's, and if I choose to make selections, I will pick to the best of my ability, the player that I think did the best (irregardless of stats)

Originally posted by goldielax25
louisville, stockholm storm, helsinki, newcastle, palmetto, turff, arlington, in no particular order. i could name 3 zeta teams that are equivalent or worse for each two of those as well, but that doesnt change the fact that our top teams are just better than yours.

Don't agree with that at ALL. I'd say we can beat all 3, but hey in the playoffs when our chemistry is around 90, I guess you will figure that out.

Originally posted by cam69
Originally posted by goldielax25

Originally posted by cam69


Originally posted by jascrozier



Originally posted by cam69




I also risk riding the "flame train" for supporting Alpha players over Zeta. I don't have time to make any recommendations at this point in time, but I will soon. As for saying Zeta players are inferior, that is not what I am saying. There are many good players over there, but you have to look past the stats, because many of their games were against some absolute cupcake teams. I will make my recommendations later, and it WILL include Zeta players, but I can assure you the list will have 2-3 times more Alpha players.

Look past the stats? And none of you guys in Alpha are taking turns to see who can score 400 points on Stockholm?

Ok, name the pitiful teams in Alpha. Count the number of teams that we padded our stats against. For every 2 teams you list, I'll list 3 Zeta teams that are equivalent or worse.

louisville, stockholm storm, helsinki, newcastle, palmetto, turff, arlington, in no particular order. i could name 3 zeta teams that are equivalent or worse for each two of those as well, but that doesnt change the fact that our top teams are just better than yours.

For sake of argument, I am going to simply say fine, the top 3 teams in zeta are God. It doesn't hurt my argument one bit.

So if you say that for every 2 cupcake teams in alpha, there are 3 zetas.

Generally, cupcakes equal 3-400 yards of rushing, 15-20 (or more)ypc, 8 TDs, etc etc. (Insanely unrealistic stats. You might as well have 11 grade school kids playing against high schoolers...)
A decent defense, which is most of Alpha will put a good back around 150 yards, 5-6 YPC. (This is a good NFL team vs. someone like Detroit)
A Good defense will stuff even a good RB at <100 yards and 4 YPC

If you have 6 cupcake games, against absolute garbage, the stats you racked up in those games are going to far outweigh the couple games that you had to play against tough teams. They are just far too inflated to bring down. If the 2-3 ratio is correct, then we only have 4 cupcake conference teams to inflate stats.

I think you are missing the point completely. I never once said your running backs were garbage. I never once said they didn't belong in the pro bowl (I'm not sure if you were upset with my blatant attempt to make a point of zeta in the coaches poll. For all who obviously didn't see my ballot, I picked 7 teams from alpha and ranked the other 2/3 zeta teams quite low...for reason) Simply speaking, from a statistical standpoint, there are a greater number of better players in Alpha (more better teams equates to a much larger population of talented players). If there is a much greater proportion of better players in Alpha, just speaking statistics, more players are going to come from that conference if I were to pick 10 players who I thought were the best.

But it seems as though your last 2 points that I have read came largely from what seems like spite and anger that people aren't just accepting your word as God. I'll hand it to you, you spend a great deal of time on this game and have a good knowledge of it. It doesn't mean I am willing to accept your opinion without skepticism. Unless GLB changed formats and had every team play every other team the same number of times, these debates can and will never be solved so all parties are completely satisfied. With that said, you are allowed your opinion, and me mine. In a fair ballot system, my vote counts as much as yours or anyone else's, and if I choose to make selections, I will pick to the best of my ability, the player that I think did the best (irregardless of stats)





i think you made valid points in your above posts and in this post. i happened to quote your post, but the more angry parts of my post were directed more toward the tulsa doom poster, who basically said that zeta players dont count, to which i countered i believe that there is a higher concentration of great players on the top teams in zeta than there are on the top teams in alpha, and that with a little homework you can see that.

when it comes to my pro bowl rosters, it will be fair ballot, to clarify though this thread is for people to promote players whom they think the stats dont tell the whole story for, so that they can be brought to my attention easier, making my all-pro selections a little easier to make. i dont do votes for my all-pros, just like i dont do votes for my power rankings. i think if you follow my work and read what i have to say, that i do a decent job of just telling it like i see it and not injecting bias in to it, which leaves me with little tolerance for people who do just decide to be biased.


to skarie, i think the red lights and the norsemen are the two teams that will be there in the end and can hang with the zeta teams. i look at tulsa and i see matchup advantages for each team in zeta, but they could easily win the conference. stockholm is just downright strong, and the magic dragons and assassins are frisky. other than that, i think the zeta top 3 and maybe 4 win their games against the others in alpha ten times out of ten. krakow i do not think could possibly ever lose a game to a team from alpha without serious serious sim wackiness, like 5 turnovers and shit like that. i think lyon and jacksonville would win the majority of their games against teams like tulsa and stockholm, and i see them pretty even with oslo and the red lights. and i think newark is equal to or better than every team in alpha save for oslo and the red lights.

what do i base that off of? dominance in games against decent teams. same opponent performance. performance in past seasons. team improvements. broken down matchups.

honestly id like everyones opinion on this, what do you think the score would be if krakow and tulsa played right now? i think it would be one-sided, something like 42-14. what about oslo? i think it would be close but krakow would come out on top. extrapolate that to other matchups that these teams have played. does krakow have a history of being upset by decidedly lesser teams? id say no. does oslo? id say yes. does krakow have a history of performing well against good defenses? id say yes. does tulsa? id say no. if you take time to analyze these things, certain trends become very visible, and all trends point to the facts that krakow has dominated good teams, beaten great teams, and has shown no discernable weaknesses. tulsa and oslo have dominated no good teams, beaten some very good teams, but have shown certain weaknesses.

my main point is you can tell from a lot of games in alpha that every team in that conference has flaws that are very visible. i do not see flaws in the top zeta teams, the only way to beat them is to beat them at their own game, not by exploiting a matchup.

Originally posted by jascrozier
Originally posted by cam69

I also risk riding the "flame train" for supporting Alpha players over Zeta. I don't have time to make any recommendations at this point in time, but I will soon. As for saying Zeta players are inferior, that is not what I am saying. There are many good players over there, but you have to look past the stats, because many of their games were against some absolute cupcake teams. I will make my recommendations later, and it WILL include Zeta players, but I can assure you the list will have 2-3 times more Alpha players.

Look past the stats? And none of you guys in Alpha are taking turns to see who can score 400 points on Stockholm?

Before you equate scoring 400 points on Stockholm to padding rushing stats look at the stats. We (Tulsa) rushed 13 times the entire game. It is hard to pad stats when you return 35 punts for 23 TD's.