Warrior General Games

Originally posted by Swiftus
The Great:
Catsharks 21.0 million
Les Gaulois 14.98 million
Hawaiian Punch 10.59 million

The OK:
Machine 5.21 million
Pioneers 4.51 million
Mustangs 4.45 million
Bullpups 4.21 million
Chronic 3.99 million
Ice Hawks 3.87 million
Bandits 3.62 million
Frozen Tundra 2.97 million

The Bad: (Only because I can not confirm if you can make payroll)
Quakes 2.5 million
Brownsnakes 2.26 million
lumber jacks 1.49 million

The Ugly
Knights 0.60 million
Flyers 0.09 million (Lucky they have a home game tonight or they'd be broke)







How do you not know that the money is tied up other places or that they aren't properly selling the stadium? Money could be in the equipment fund and you not know it or already bought stadium sections and you not know it or still have to finish selling out like 6 home games?

I usually don't have a problem with what you post and I am not trying to attack you, Swiftus, but for you to bring this up and not seem to know where the money can be makes me question if you fully understand the financial aspects of the game and there is nothing wrong with that. It took me a while to learn it fully. Knowing I almost lost the team I didn't DC or OC any teams for an entire season and took the time to learn everything I could about the financial aspect and come up with a game plan to get me out of it. Now I am a season and a half a way from that.

swift just stop with these threads

I think swiftus is just fine for bringing up the topic. Some owners and GM's might benefit from a discussion like this. I don't blame him for starting the thread.

But swiftus, I do agree with some of the others that you shouldn't call people or their teams out by name. Mainly, because you can't have a full picture on each of these teams.

I think it's fair of you to mention that some teams - without specifying - might have problems now or in the future. Maybe put forth some benchmark criteria. Those owners or GM's who are far short can either chime in on their own without being called out (and maybe learn something from the rest of us) or continue on the downward spiral if they don't care. If you call them out, people will see you as gloating or get defensive.

But I'm not going to flame you for bringing up the topic in the first place. When scarab took over the Yaksmen from previous management, we had a crummy team with some good agents and players and one corner section. I started helping as a GM - first time ever for me. We went through a season trying to upgrade the team, only to find that we couldn't expand the stadium at the end of it. We had one stinkin' 100-level corner section, without additional seats. Then, you get players hitting level 32 without having their 24 upgrades done and the team was just barely competitive (and that's being a little generous) after all our work, you realize that finances are holding the team back and there's no way forward. Thankfully, we had a lot of good people on that team willing to do what it took to turn it around.

Fixing a team when you get to that point is tough, painful, and a ton of work. There's only one way it can be done. If any team or owner who doesn't know better can learn before reaching that point, so much the better. If they don't want to learn they'll probably lose the team sooner rather than later.

It's not easy to identify teams that are in that dire of straits when you're not on the inside though. Some might have small stadiums, but if they have committed agents, they can probably claw their way to long-term solvency without needing to gut. I don't see any team that I would say is obviously in as poor shape as we were once in. They might be, but you can't be sure without seeing their books.

Well put.

I love when people quote me and leave out things.

HEY CROWBAR, WHEN YOU QUOTED ME, WHY DID YOU DELETE THE FOLLOWING?
"Obviously, this can not account for expected income from concessions, whether or not you have stadium construction done (why I dont know), or if you have money still in your team's equipment account."

Sure, I failed to realize that some people haven't sold all of their tickets yet. I set my prices at 2.4x and sold much faster than I did last year despite having a lower high income fan support.

And I am sorry that I just don't get why anyone would pay for the sections now when they have to sell them right back a week later in order to use the money (unless you will have much more money than you need). Yes, it is your game to play, but what if your internet went out for two days and you couldn't log in? One of you doesn't have enough money for payroll tonight (except for the fact that the team is playing a home game and will make concessions)

Again, the point of this is to demonstrate that paying top dollar for players will simply kill you if you don't have the money to back it up. I dont want 3 cpu teams in here by the end of the season. Some of you GMs/Owners (NOT ALL) need to realize that you need to start making good economic decisions immediately or you are done by the end of next season. Many of us have 40 equipment to pay for now and 48 on the horizon. There will soon come a point where 3/4 of this league can not compete with 1/4 of it and it will become bland very quickly.

Also, I can't be gloating when my team is #8 on the list.

Originally posted by MickLite7
Originally posted by Swiftus


The Ugly
Knights 0.60 million


We actually have just over 12 million, stop with the assuming!!!!! lol

I am really not worried about your team. You'd sell your parents if it would help the team.

Here is something I do before, during, and after the season: This one is from February 20th (right before the season). I am more than willing to help some teams who need their books analyzed. Hell, I have a master's degree in this crap.

PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE:

3,284,640 per game income (tickets)
1,200,000 per game income (concessions)

Total expected per game income: 4,484,640

Total expected income next season: 35,877,120

Expenses:

Loan Repayment 1,500,000
2 Stadium Sections 6,000,000
Salaries 7,197,680

Total Expense: 14,697,680

Current Balance: 292,536
Expected Income: +35,877,120
Expected Expense: -14,697,680

Expected Final Season Balance: 21,471,976

Other expected expenses:

Level 32 Equipment (30 players ~ 400k per player) = 12,000,000
Signing Bonuses = 1,000,000
Seats = 4,000,000

Total Other Expected Expenses: 17,000,000

That would leave us with only 4 million rolling over into next season... that is, unless we get some home playoff games.

Originally posted by Swiftus
Originally posted by MickLite7

Originally posted by Swiftus



The Ugly
Knights 0.60 million


We actually have just over 12 million, stop with the assuming!!!!! lol

I am really not worried about your team. You'd sell your parents if it would help the team.


He already did!!! LOL!!!

I plan to have this much left over to roll into next season. $0.00

Unless, of course, we get some home playoff games.

The flip side to the equipment issue, is that if all your players are mercenaries with ridiculous high salaries, they generally dont get emo when you cant pay off all their EQ needs.

And, IMO, as a free agent of tons of players myself.... much more interested in stats and wins than in money. (my player on the tundra doesnt even have a single piece of level 32 gear yet)

Actually I agree with what your getting at. Your reasons make sense, even if not everyone agrees with everthing your saying.

Originally posted by Outlaws_41
Actually I agree with what your getting at. Your reasons make sense, even if not everyone agrees with everthing your saying.

Thank you for realizing this. Sadly, these forums have become "Douche until proven to not be a douche." Where are all the other BBB #6 teams that knew me!?

Also, don't forget that your players can jump ship if the team is in the red for so many days. There'd be nothing worse than seeing your players go without any input from you.

Originally posted by Swiftus
Originally posted by Outlaws_41

Actually I agree with what your getting at. Your reasons make sense, even if not everyone agrees with everthing your saying.

Thank you for realizing this. Sadly, these forums have become "Douche until proven to not be a douche." Where are all the other BBB #6 teams that knew me!?

Also, don't forget that your players can jump ship if the team is in the red for so many days. There'd be nothing worse than seeing your players go without any input from you.

Im with you! Swiftus has always done some posts like this, I know he saved a few teams from going under in the previous years.

Im with him on it, rather have a full schedule of tougher games more like this year, than some previous years when we knew there was about 5-6 cake games that were good for stats but not competitive.

swiftus is a douche bag, dont listen to what anyone else says about him

I hope that you get raped harder than those people on the tv show OZ.

Originally posted by Swiftus


I am really not worried about your team. You'd sell your parents if it would help the team.

Again with the assumptions.... my parents are dead..... but yeah I would trade them off to help the team! lol But come on, obviously you are worried about us, you have been talking about us non stop the last week or so. Most of the people we sold off, we had just recruited anyways. We have a core of the team locked up with NTCs and people already lined up for next season. We will quickly be back on track and better than ever.